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That sounds great like a great plan Tim.

I was just making sure if there wasn't any support, that everyone knows
that OSOps can definitely help.

Definitely let us know if there is more that we can do other than just
having the Repo's available.

--Joe

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Tim Bell <Tim.Bell at cern.ch> wrote:

>
> The overall requirements are being reviewed in
> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-Nova-maint. A future tool may
> make its way in OSOps but I think we should keep the requirements
> discussion distinct from the available community tools and their tool
> repository.
>
> Tim
>
> From: Joseph Bajin <josephbajin at gmail.com>
> Date: Friday 22 April 2016 at 17:55
> To: Robert Starmer <robert at kumul.us>
> Cc: openstack-operators <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] Maintenance
>
> Rob/Jay,
>
> The use of the OSOps Working group and its repos is a great way to address
> this.. If any of you are coming to the Summit, please take a look at our
> Etherpad that we have created.[1]   This could be a great discussion topic
> for the working sessions and we can brainstorm how we could help with this.
>
>
> Joe
>
> [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-OSOps
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Robert Starmer <robert at kumul.us> wrote:
>
>> Maybe a result of the discussion can be a set of models (let's not go so
>> far as to call them best pracices yet :) for how maintainance can be done
>> at scale, perhaps solidifying the descriptions Jay has above with the user
>> stories Tomi described in his initial note.  This seems like an achievable
>> outcome from a working session, and the output even has a target, either
>> creating scripable workflows that could end up in the OSops repository, or
>> as user stories that can be mapped to the PM working group.
>>
>> R
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Jay Pipes <jaypipes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/14/2016 05:14 AM, Juvonen, Tomi (Nokia - FI/Espoo) wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> As admin I want to know when host is ready to actions to be done by
>>>> admin
>>>> during the maintenance. Meaning physical resources are emptied.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You are equating "host maintenance mode" with the end result of a call
>>> to `nova host-evacuate-live`. The two are not the same.
>>>
>>> "host maintenance mode" typically just refers to taking a Nova compute
>>> node out of consideration for placing new workloads on that compute node.
>>> Putting a Nova compute node into host maintenance mode is as simple as
>>> calling `nova service-disable $hostname nova-compute`.
>>>
>>> Depending on what you need to perform on the compute node that is in
>>> host maintenance mode, you *may* want to migrate the workloads from that
>>> compute node to some other compute node that isn't in host maintenance
>>> mode. The `nova host-evacuate $hostname` and `nova host-evacuate-live
>>> $hostname` commands in the Nova CLI [1] can be used to migrate or
>>> live-migrate all workloads off the target compute node.
>>>
>>> Live migration will reduce the disruption that tenant workloads (data
>>> plane) experience during the workload migration. However, research at
>>> Mirantis has shown that libvirt/KVM/QEMU live migration performed against
>>> workloads with even a medium rate of memory page dirtying can easily never
>>> complete. Solutions like auto-converge and xbzrle compression have minimal
>>> effect on this, unfortunately. Pausing a workload manually is typically
>>> what is done to force the live migration to complete.
>>>
>>> [1] Note that these are commands in the Nova CLI tool
>>> (python-novaclient). Neither a host-evacuate nor a host-evacuate-live REST
>>> API call exists in the Compute API. This fact alone should suggest to folks
>>> that the appropriate place to put logic associated with performing host
>>> maintenance tasks should be *outside* of Nova entirely...
>>>
>>> As owner of a server I want to prepare for maintenance to minimize
>>>> downtime,
>>>> keep capacity on needed level and switch HA service to server not
>>>> affected by maintenance.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This isn't an appropriate use case, IMHO. HA control planes should, by
>>> their very nature, be established across various failure domains. The whole
>>> *point* of having an HA service is so that you don't need to "prepare" for
>>> some maintenance event (planned or unplanned).
>>>
>>> All HA control planes worth their salt will be able to notify some
>>> external listener of a partition in the cluster. This HA control plane is
>>> the responsibility of the tenant, not the infrastructure (i.e. Nova). I
>>> really do not want to add coupling between infrastructure control plane
>>> services and tenant control plane services.
>>>
>>> As owner of a server I want to know when my servers will be down because
>>>> of
>>>> host maintenance as it might be servers are not moved to another host.
>>>>
>>>
>>> See above. As an owner of a server involved in an HA cluster, it is *the
>>> server owner's* responsibility to set things up so that the cluster
>>> rebalances, handles redirected load, or does the custom thing that they
>>> want. This isn't, IMHO, the domain of the NVFi but rather a much
>>> higher-level NFVO orchestration layer.
>>>
>>> As owner of a server I want to know if host is to be totally removed, so
>>>> instead of keeping my servers on host during maintenance, I want to move
>>>> them to somewhere else.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This isn't something the owner of a server even knows about in a cloud
>>> environment. Owners of a server don't (and shouldn't) know which compute
>>> node they are, nor should they know that a host is having a planned or
>>> unplanned host maintenance event.
>>>
>>> The infrastructure owner (cloud deployer/operator) is responsible for
>>> doing the needful and performing a [live] migration of workloads off of a
>>> failing host or a host that is undergoing a cold upgrade. The tenant
>>> doesn't know anything about these things, and shouldn't.
>>>
>>> As owner of a server I want to send acknowledgement to be ready for host
>>>> maintenance and I want to state if servers are to be moved or kept on
>>>> host.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is describing some virtual inventory management or CMDB
>>> functionality that isn't in scope for infrastructure services like Nova.
>>> Perhaps it's worth looking into how something like Remedy can manage your
>>> virtual inventory in this manner, but I don't see this being in the
>>> OpenStack realm really...
>>>
>>> FWIW, this is the same objection I had to Tacker joining the OpenStack
>>> Big Tent. It is essentially a monolithic, purpose-built-for-Telco
>>> application that orchestrates VNFs at layers way above the OpenStack
>>> deployment.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> -jay
>>>
>>> Removal and creating of server is in owner's control already. Optionally
>>>> server
>>>> Configuration data could hold information about automatic actions to be
>>>> done
>>>> when host is going down unexpectedly or in controlled manner. Also
>>>> actions at
>>>> the same if down permanently or only temporarily. Still this needs
>>>> acknowledgement from server owner as he needs time for application level
>>>> controlled HA service switchover.
>>>> Br,
>>>> Tomi
>>>>
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