[Openstack-operators] Fostering OpenStack Users

Barrett, Carol L carol.l.barrett at intel.com
Mon Jan 5 17:01:20 UTC 2015

Hi All – The Win The Enterprise Team is looking to develop reference architectures to speed the deployment of OpenStack. This email thread is adding a new dimension to what the team should include in that effort.

We could use your help in defining the outline for this flavor of reference architecture and areas to focus on. If you want to help shape this direction please join the team meeting on Tuesday 7AM Pacific. Dial-In Information: +1-224-225-1234 / Id: 051214. Wiki page, a link to the weekly agenda will be posted here and open to the team to contribute: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Win_the_Enterprise


From: Sean Hamilton [mailto:sean at seanhamilton.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 5:15 AM
To: matt
Cc: openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] Fostering OpenStack Users

It seems to me that there is a certain lack of understanding here. As far as I can tell, the initial post was asking for help in engaging end-users, not discussing deployment options for different Openstack installations.

I'm extremely interested in reference architectures that I can pass onto my end users - developers, testers and application architects. I want them to see Openstack as a platform that they can run automated testing, CI workloads and eventually run cloud native applications on my cloud. Just my thoughts, but it would seem that if there was a way of showing these end-users (not operators) some pre-canned ways of working it would help them ease into using Openstack from their current methodology. I'm not asking for an installation, but simply a blueprint of ways of working.

Just some background, in larger enterprises, those of us who have already drank from the punchbowl are desperately trying to get users onboard from their traditional application build cycles. This would be a big boost for enterprises. Perhaps something that the 'Win The Enterprise' initiative could take and run with?


On 2 January 2015 at 01:31, matt <matt at nycresistor.com<mailto:matt at nycresistor.com>> wrote:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm from brooklynite, so as I see it, you couldn't have been more polite if you tried =P
I think at the end of it all, OpenStack as a community does not want to own this part of the stack.  They've been pretty vocal about that in times past.  That being said, with the rise of projects such as heat and ironic, it does seem the community is involved in a relentless march of progress towards full ownership of the deployment and management of the stack.
It's hard to say right now what the future may hold.  But, this year will undoubtedly see some big changes on this front.  Hopefully they are driving towards the ease of deployment for new users.  That would be a wonderful thing.  Be that as it may, there are some considerable hurdles to that.

On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Adam Lawson <alawson at aqorn.com<mailto:alawson at aqorn.com>> wrote:

That sounded a bit harsh in retrospect, so my apologies if it's perceived as an uninvited slap on the hand.

The topic keeps coming up and it's hard to tell potential consumers over and over the magnitude of engineering  investment is improving. Would be great to be able to say that with a straight face one day.
On Jan 1, 2015 5:14 PM, "Adam Lawson" <alawson at aqorn.com<mailto:alawson at aqorn.com>> wrote:

I apologize for my candor but sounds an awful like political candidates stating they understand what their constituents really want. We gotta avoid making claims of fact that are pure personal opinion, especially if our goal is market adoption of OpenStack and especially if we're deeply entrenched in the OpenStack development process. New users can't tell the difference, these dialogs get picked by search engines and perceived truth is truth. Otherwise the risk is that the community competes against the Foundation with a conflicting message.

Once a potential consumer hears/communicates there is no path forward, decision makers will choose a product that DOES have a path forward. Plain and simple.

But this again highlights OpenStack's desperate need for a working cloud model that users can deploy with minimal headache. Even if it's just one of many possible deployment options. Looking long term, the need for an easily deployable cloud will only present itself for so long. Then the need disappears .. and none of us wants to be in that position.

On Dec 30, 2014 1:26 PM, "matt" <matt at nycresistor.com<mailto:matt at nycresistor.com>> wrote:
It might be good to setup some sort of collaborative set of reference architectures for some basic examples of OpenStack in different areas.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:18 PM, James Dempsey <jamesd at catalyst.net.nz<mailto:jamesd at catalyst.net.nz>> wrote:
On 31/12/14 05:09, Stuart Fox wrote:
> Hi James
> Great question and some good answers so far although I think they done
> go far enough.
> They have (mostly) focused on other operators who, while a very
> important part of any cloud, are not the primary audience.
> Think more about the end users: devs, qa, marketing, data dudes etc etc.

Yes, these are exactly the people I'm interested in making excited.  I'm
interested in all the ways that OpenStack can be effectively presented
to these people.

> Focus less on running a cloud and more about how to use the cloud.
> As a simple example with huge ramifications, a fully automated and
> dynamic build and release pipeline driven by (something like) Jenkins.

Exactly.  Jenkins / Gerrit is the first thing that devs tend to build /
ask for.  It makes their lives a lot easier.

> All this took place using common tools and the Openstack API's. Once
> the pipeline is defined, there is little need for human interaction.
> Think about ideas like Canary testing, Continuos Deployment, Rapid Prototyping.

I think Rapid Prototyping is a great way to engage users of OpenStack
because it cuts to the core of what devs are interested in: building new
stuff.  As opposed to CI infrastructure, which I see as more of an
enabling technology.  I'd be keen to hear about any rapid prototyping
demos that people use to sell their cloud.

> Hope thats helpful.

Very much, thanks!


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