[Openstack-operators] OpenStack-operators Digest, Vol 41, Issue 25

CHIOSI, MARGARET T mc3124 at att.com
Tue Apr 1 11:37:35 UTC 2014

On the ETSI ISG NFV (Toby Ford is aware of this), we have a Network Operator Council which is an advisory board for the ISG NFV.
We have network vendors, component vendors, platform vendors as well as operators participating in this forum (which is only 15 months old).

It is all the 'operators' with networks that are interested in virtualizing network functions. We have been discussing how do we as operators
Influence Openstack even though we may not have developers involved in the SW code submission.
But we will ultimately be some of the real users of the openstack software.

So we were thinking as a forum if we come up with specific feature 'gaps' on Openstack, then we could submit the 
requests. It appears you have a design summit twice a year where this could be done.

Michael Brenner, ALU, volunteered to be our liaison to help us here.

When is the next design summit? I know you have an Atlanta summit - but it is the same week as our meeting in Okinawa..

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fifield [mailto:tom at openstack.org] 
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 11:30 PM
To: openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org; CHIOSI, MARGARET T
Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] OpenStack-operators Digest, Vol 41, Issue 25

On 31/03/14 20:28, CHIOSI, MARGARET T wrote:
> Sorry I didn't sign this.
> Margaret T. Chiosi, AT&T DMTS -
> I helped create the ETSI ISG NFV group and am currently leading the Open NFV platform study to create an open source platform for NFV (Network Function Virtualization)
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> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 8:27 AM
> To: openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org
> Subject: RE: OpenStack-operators Digest, Vol 41, Issue 25
> Folks: I am new to this mailing list.
> Why does the user advisory group have to be selected by these other groups?
> If this is really going to be run by users, I think word should go out that a user advisory group is being formed and who wants to join.
> Also what will the costs to participate in this advisory group.
> Then once the group is 'formed', have them decide how they want to govern or pick the chair/co-chair to help facilitate
> and work with the other groups.

Hi Margaret,

Welcome :) It's great to have your input.

I'm not sure if you've seen the following emails in this thread yet, but 
what's being worked at now is how to potentially tweak our existing 
governance structure into something more like what you describe. It's 
not about selection or exclusion - just trying to expand the scope of 
what was set up for this purpose so that it becomes even more useful, 
and avoid overbuilding. I, for one, definitely think that there will be 
some kind of open call associated with this for people to "do 
something", but it clearly needs some people to do some coordination 
activity to make even that happen.

Participation in any OpenStack community follows our Open principles 
(http://wiki.openstack.org/Open), is encouraged, and without cost. :)



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> On 30/03/14 00:44, John Dewey wrote:
>> Would it make sense to have an ops PTL?
> So, my reading is we already have such governance established - but
> rather than being an individual, it is a committee - the user committee.
> We'll need to tweak it a bit I guess, but in fact it is already set up
> such that the TC _must_[1] listen to it ... for at least four hours per
> year ;)
> Since the number of users majorly outweighs the number of developers in
> a project, we probably do need more than a single individual. Tim, Ryan
> and JC have done very well in this extremely difficult position so far.
> However, I think if we can rally around the user committee, get some
> more people in and start doing even more things it might just satisfy
> the need for extra governance we're seeking.
> Thoughts? What would you see this group doing?
> Regards,
> Tom
> [1] 4.14 User Committee. The User Committee shall be an advisory
> committee to the Board of Directors and shall be comprised of at least
> three (3) Individual Members, one (1) appointed by the Technical
> Committee, one (1) appointed by the Board of Directors, and one (1)
> appointed by the appointees of the Technical Committee and Board of
> Directors. The User Committee shall organize its meetings and may, on
> approval of the Board of Directors, create elected seats to be filled by
> a vote of the Individual Members. On request of the User Committee, the
> Board of Directors shall invite the User Committee to attend each
> regular quarterly meeting and shall allocate at least one (1) hour
> during the regular quarterly meeting following the annual election to
> hear the report and recommendations of the User Committee. On request of
> the User Committee, the Technical Committee shall invite the User
> Committee to attend a regular meeting and shall allocate at least one
> (1) hour during such meeting up to four times each calendar year to hear
> the report and recommendations of the User Committee.
>> John
>> On Friday, March 28, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Tom Fifield wrote:
>>> All,
>>> I had a bit of a play around, combining some similar things from the
>>> suggestions, and was able to come up with something that I think covers
>>> everything that was suggested. If it's way off - no problems, we can go
>>> to a vote or similar.
>>> Also had a go at selecting moderators for sessions based on our
>>> volunteers - feel free to strike yourself out or move around.
>>> All of this is up for discussion and change, so read below and head on
>>> over to the etherpad, or post a reply email :)
>>> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-unconference-RFC
>>> Monday
>>> 0700 - 1115 Registration, Keynotes, Break
>>> 1115 - 1155 Ask the devs: Meet the PTLs and TC, How to get the best
>>> out of the design summit
>>> 1205 - 1245 Reasonable Defaults
>>> 1400 - 1440 Upgrades and Deployment Approaches
>>> 1450 - 1530 Architecture Show and Tell, Tales and Fails
>>> 1540 - 1620 Architecture Show and Tell, Tales and Fails
>>> 1730 - 1810 Security (MODERATOR NEEDED)
>>> Schedule: Friday
>>> 9:00 - 9:40 Enterprise Gaps
>>> 9:50 - 10:30 Database
>>> 10:50 - 11:30 Issues at Scale
>>> 11:40 - 12:20 Monitoring and Logging
>>> 1:20 - 2:00 Ansible (MODERATOR NEEDED)
>>> 2:10 - 2:50 Chef
>>> 3:00 - 3:40 Puppet
>>> 4:00 - 4:40 Networking
>>> 4:50 - 5:30 Best discovery of the week, Meta Discussion - ops
>>> communication and governance
>>> Regards,
>>> Tom
>>> On 27/03/14 11:20, Tom Fifield wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>> The idea for this "Operators Summit" has received excellent support, and
>>>> we have more than twenty session ideas proposed in the etherpad:
>>>> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-unconference-RFC
>>>> We've blocked out a room on Monday to host it.
>>>> What we need now is:
>>>> 1) Find moderators for the sessions
>>>> 2) Select which sessions are going to happen
>>>> 3) For the architecture show-and-tell, we probably need to select who
>>>> will present in this.
>>>> If you can help with any of this, please do get in touch, or get your
>>>> name down on the etherpad. I'll be in contact soon.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Tom
>>>> On 17/03/14 07:54, Tom Fifield wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Would you like more time at the summit to talk OpenStack ops? Read on!
>>>>> Of course, we will have a dedicated Operations track in the conference -
>>>>> and it's going to be better than ever this year, with an all-new
>>>>> selection group ... all of whom actually run clouds.
>>>>> However, we've never really had many design-summit style
>>>>> feedback/sharing sessons for ops. Let's change that.
>>>>> Would you find it useful to have a space to share architectures, best
>>>>> practices, and give feedback on the bits of OpenStack that are giving
>>>>> you pain? Or perhaps find out how to get more involved in the Open
>>>>> Design process? Help us justify locking away a few rooms :)
>>>>> Just to start the discussion, I have written up a straw man proposal/RFC
>>>>> of one potential use of the time. It's specifically designed to be
>>>>> ripped to shreds - so please do!
>>>>> The idea is to have something that's more like a design summit feel -
>>>>> people sitting in a room discussing things, as opposed to more
>>>>> presentations.
>>>>> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-ops-unconference-RFC
>>>>> So, what would you like to see?
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Tom

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