[Openstack-operators] New to Open Stack - shutdown vs terminate
Michael Marrotte
marrotte at gmail.com
Tue Jul 5 14:52:43 UTC 2011
At least for KVM, I think you can add something like
<on_poweroff>destroy</on_poweroff> to VM definsiont file...
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Tom Fifield <fifieldt at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks again - unfortunately this is similar to what Mike Marrotte wrote in
> a previous email.
>
> Neither Terry (the original author) or myself appear to be in a situation
> where we want to, or have the ability to modify things happening inside the
> guest VM :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 07/05/2011 10:45 PM, Leandro Reox wrote:
>
>> Tom ,
>>
>> Just thinking out loud, maybe you can pass out your API credentials via
>> metadata in boot time, and then use them to :
>>
>> - When a user issues "shutdown -h" , is really an alias to post a
>> "Terminate" to the nova API
>> - Then the instance "suicides" itself and you get what your users are
>> expecting :)
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Lele
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Tom Fifield <fifieldt at unimelb.edu.au
>> <mailto:fifieldt at unimelb.edu.**au <fifieldt at unimelb.edu.au>>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for your reply!
>>
>> I'm dealing with a lot of users who expect the same style as Amazon,
>> which as I mentioned below is that within a guest VM 'shutdown -h
>> now' is like saying "I don't want this instance anymore". This is
>> the 'terminate' state for guest VMs, hence the cron to clean it up.
>>
>> Good point about recovery from nova-compute host issues though. We
>> only want to terminate instances that have been taken down by the
>> user, rather than ourselves ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 07/05/2011 10:29 PM, Leandro Reox wrote:
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I dont know if croning the "Terminate" for instances in
>> "shutdown" state
>> is a good idea, after a Physical node restart the instances
>> running in
>> that node stays in shutdown mode after the node comes back, you can
>> "re-awake" them by issuing nova reboot, maybe a cleaner an usefull
>> script will try to "reboot" the instance and if doest succeed
>> terminate
>> them, just an idea.
>>
>> Regards
>> Lele
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Tom Fifield
>> <fifieldt at unimelb.edu.au <mailto:fifieldt at unimelb.edu.**au<fifieldt at unimelb.edu.au>
>> >
>> <mailto:fifieldt at unimelb.edu._**_au
>> <mailto:fifieldt at unimelb.edu.**au <fifieldt at unimelb.edu.au>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Echoing this request - it's very handy on Amazon EC2 when a
>> shutdown
>> -h now command results in instance termination.
>>
>> Is there a reason for the difference in OpenStack, or is this just
>> how it was implemented? :)
>>
>>
>> I'd probably be writing a cron script to look at the database to
>> 'terminate' instances in 'shutdown' state and thereby freeing their
>> resources...
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 07/03/2011 11:44 PM, Terry.Rankine at csiro.au wrote:
>>
>> Wont it need my EC2 credentials on the VM then?
>>
>> The credentials used to start the VM are not stored on the VM. I
>> guess I can pass them in via the start-up string, but I would
>> prefer if there was another way.
>>
>> Any other thoughts?
>>
>> Terry
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>> Sent: Friday, 1 July 2011 7:47 PM
>> To: Rankine, Terry (CESRE, Kensington)
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>> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] New to Open Stack - shutdown
>> vs terminate
>>
>> Sure. Just install the euca2ools on the guest and write a script.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2011, at 1:07
>> AM,<Terry.Rankine at csiro.au<___**_mailto:Terry.Rankine at csiro.au
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>> <mailto:Terry.Rankine at csiro.au
>> <mailto:Terry.Rankine at csiro.au**>__>>__> wrote:
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>> Hi Guys
>> I am building an ‘worker image’ for an on-demand specific
>> ‘compute this’ workflow.
>> The image is totally aware of its success or failure of the
>> ‘compute this’ task, and uploads its output back to S3 storage.
>> Since the VM is the best thing to know about success/failure, I
>> figure it should also be the right thing to determine its end of
>> life (shutdown-dont destroy on failure for debugging, and
>> shutdown-terminate-release on success).
>> I would like it to automatically shutdown (and terminate
>> releasing all resources it held – public IP etc) on success, and
>> I would like the VM itself be able to do this. A ‘shutdown –h
>> now’ put the image into shutdown mode, but not terminated and
>> never released the held resources.
>> Is it possible for the VM to ‘shutdown and terminate’ itself?
>> Terry
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