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Elizabeth K. Joseph <lyz at ...> writes:

> 
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Takeshi Larsson
> <takeshi.p.larsson at ...> wrote:
> > Hows this going? Have you had any thoughts on which way you want to 
go?
> > I'm the "not really a developer" for panopuppet and I was wondering 
if there
> > was something you felt was missing from panopuppet or what it is you 
are
> > "looking" for?
> 
> Thanks for taking the time to reach out to us, it's great to hear from
> a contributor to a project we're looking at. Decision-wise, right now
> we're continuing to use PuppetBoard and we haven't made a move yet.
> 
> All we need is a read-only dashboard so anyone in our community can
> watch puppet changes land and have the data to debug accordingly to
> submit a new patch when things fail. The dashboard is public so anyone
> on the internet can view it, which means it has to give useful data,
> but can't leak sensitive data. We don't do any configuration via the
> dashboard, that's all in git and goes through our standard code review
> process.
> 
> The main concern about the single developer situation is that this is
> the second time we've had to look at changing the dashboard due to
> loss of development efforts. It would be great if we could move to a
> project that has a stronger community so that when that single
> developer has a change in family status/get a new job/focuses
> elsewhere, we aren't stuck again.
> 

Hi,

Ofcourse I am interested in all potential parties so replying to the 
mailing list seemed like the most responsible thing to do.

I've seen your puppetboard and noticed that you only have 100-200 nodes 
and is nothing that puppetboard cannot handle.
PanoPuppet was written because at work we have more than 3000 nodes and 
puppetboard could not handle showing that amount of nodes.
It was written to work at my current place of employment to function 
with cross function teams with advanced query building to find just the 
nodes
you need or are responsible for.
I was trying to make it as "enterprise" ready as possible. So that there 
was a solution that could fill the needs of the puppet opensource users.

PanoPuppet much like puppetboard is a read-only dashboard. The data 
shown in puppetboard is pretty much what PanoPuppet offers
except that PanoPuppet offers better tools for analytics, debugging and 
PuppetDB Query Building.

It seems that your workflow is pretty much the same as it as where I 
work. We use hiera and we commit everything for review and have CI's 
checking for various errors etc
and also human reviewal before allowing it to reach our master branch.

The single developer project is ofcourse a major factor to your choice 
of dashboard. And I am aware of PuppetBoards choice to add more core 
developers to their project
that happened several months ago and I have yet to see any kind of major 
PR or commits to happen.

I on the other hand get to work on PanoPuppet at work and keep it FOSS 
and also I spend a couple of hours at home tinkering with it.
This is to satisfy the needs of my colleagues at work but also some of 
my users (most of which have  over 10k nodes) using it.
They constantly email me with new feature requests or bugs they have 
found.

While I understand the worry about losing the only developer, I can tell 
you, I'm 24 years old without kids and not looking to get any for a 
couple of years. So as long as the company I work need PanoPuppet or 
there are others who need PanoPuppet I will probably be available for a 
couple of years and hopefully during that time some more developers 
might want to hop on.

I've spoken to Spencer on irc about Puppetboard and while I can consider 
helping out Puppetboard I am not sure I will stop developing PanoPuppet 
to help out with Puppetboard. Even though Puppetboard has a much bigger 
customer base having been available longer than PanoPuppet, PanoPuppet 
was not created to take over any other projects and was a way for me to 
learn more python and perhaps even decision making based on opinions of 
the few PanoPuppet users.

My user base seems to be growing, more people seem to be trying 
PanoPuppet out which I think is great.