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Hi Doug and all,

I needed to spend some time to look for the history.
Roughly speaking our history can be broken donw into three categories:

[1] Liberty Horizon
[2] documentation translation from 2014.
[3] up to Kilo Horizon

I think following the history clarified what happened.

---
[1] Liberty Horizon
In Liberty, we migrated the translation platform to Zanata and all
imports were done by Jenkins jobs (thanks to Andreas).

[2] documentation translation from 2014
In parallel, there was the ongoing efforts to automate documentation
translations.
The thread is [2] and we discussed the threshold for translation
addition (75%) and removal (60%).
It is documented very well at
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/Infrastructure.

[3] up to Kilo Horizon
The following are my translation import patch for Horizon up to Kilo:
* KIlo : https://github.com/openstack/horizon/commit/56d5683c8c49558ae22200bc01ec87ea83144003
  (The commit message was wrong not Juno but Kilo :p)
* Juno : https://github.com/openstack/horizon/commit/9b0ba951c07af13aa4c386b19876474b971e7946
* Icehouse : https://github.com/openstack/horizon/commit/a9cf547d20065b2bd49e101364b46cffed4b6aee
* Havana : https://github.com/openstack/horizon/commit/4910222356fbd2aeb0dab1b3cebe00330c2641f7

All of these commit messages said "Import ~100% completed translaitons".
It seems we used almost all are translated.
I could not find the meeting log where we discussed this criteria
first for Havana or Icehouse.
According to [1] it seems we had the criteria of 95% for Juno.
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commit 56d5683c8c49558ae22200bc01ec87ea83144003
Author: Akihiro Motoki <motoki at da.jp.nec.com>
Date:   Thu Apr 23 06:58:49 2015 +0900

    Import translations from Transifex for Juno

    * Import ~100% completed translations
      (translations available for 12 languages)
    * Delete incomplete languages
    * Update language list in openstack_dashboard settings.py
---

That's all what I succeeded to gather.

Akihiro

[1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2014-October/000806.html
[2] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2014-October/thread.html#813

2016-03-22 22:32 GMT+09:00 Douglas Fish <drfish at us.ibm.com>:
> Akihiro,
>
> I've been trying to find where we documented the 90% cutoff used by Horizon
> in past releases. I can't find it (and I'm afraid I'm the one who documented
> it). Were you able to find that reference?
>
> I think it's reasonable to manage the Horizon language list to match the
> same set of languages for which we have PO files included in the project.
> The 66% cutoff would apply in both cases then. It should be easy for a
> consumer or distro to provide a shorter list than what we've defaulted by
> changing the value of the LANGUAGES setting in local_settings.py or a
> local_settings.d file.
>
> Doug Fish
>
>
>
> "Ying Chun Guo" <guoyingc at cn.ibm.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 05:56:45 AM:
>
>> From: "Ying Chun Guo" <guoyingc at cn.ibm.com>
>> To: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "openstack-i18n at lists.openstack.org"
>> <openstack-i18n at lists.openstack.org>
>> Date: 03/22/2016 05:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Criteria of Horizon language list for
>> Mitakarelease
>>
>> Akihiro Motoki <amotoki at gmail.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 06:43:33 PM:
>>
>> > From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki at gmail.com>
>> > To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM at IBMCN
>> > Cc: "openstack-i18n at lists.openstack.org"
>> <openstack-i18n at lists.openstack.org>
>> > Date: 03/22/2016 06:45 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Criteria of Horizon language list for
>
>> > Mitakarelease
>> >
>> > 2016-03-22 18:00 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc at cn.ibm.com>:
>> > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki at gmail.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 02:27:21 AM:
>> > >
>> > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki at gmail.com>
>> > >> To: "openstack-i18n at lists.openstack.org"
>> > > <Openstack-i18n at lists.openstack.org>
>> > >> Date: 03/22/2016 02:29 AM
>> > >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Criteria of Horizon language list for
>> Mitaka
>> > > release
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi i18n team,
>> > >>
>> > >> As Horizon liaison, I would like to ask you all about the criteria of
>> > >> Horizon language list for Mitaka release.
>> > >>
>> > >> The same topic was discussed several releases ago and the consensus
>> at
>> > >> that time were:
>> > >> * remove all translations with less than 90% progress
>> > >> * update the language list accordingly.
>> > >>
>> > >> Translations were imported manually at that time and the situation
>> may
>> > >> be changed now.
>> > >> I don't have an opinion and will just follow the i18n project
>> decision.
>> > >> If no response or well-defined criteria, I will just keep the current
>> > >> language list [1].
>> > >
>> > > Thank you for taking care of that, Akihiro.
>> > > I don't see any requests to change the language list.
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> The following is just information:
>> > >> We have four PO files (django/djangojs for horizon and
>> > > openstack_dashboard).
>> > >> The current translation import policy for each PO file is
>> documentedhere
>> > > [2].
>> > >> Each PO file is imported once the translation percentage becomes over
>> > > 75%
>> > >> and it will be removed when the translation percentage becomes less
>> than
>> > > 20%.
>> > >> What is our criteria?
>> > >
>> > > My opinion is to follow the previous guidelines.
>> >
>> > Do you mean we should remove <90% translations and update the lang
>> > list accordingly?
>> >
>> > I made a quick survey. The result is not so happy, but I will just
>> > follow the team decision.
>> >
>> > We have four PO files per language for horizon.
>> > My understanding is 90% means 90% translations for all these PO files.
>> > Unfortunately, as of today, only four languages satisfy this criteria
>> > (90%): de, fr, ja, ko
>> > If we change the criteria to 66%, we will have three more languages:
>> > pt-br, ru, zh-cn.
>> >
>> > It is too sad statistics. openstack_dashboard/djangojs is the
>> > bottleneck of the progress.
>> >
>> > On the other hand, the current language list contains 15 translated
>> languages:
>> > cs, de, en-gb, en-au, es, fr, it, ja, ko, pl, pt-br, ru, tr, zh-cn,
>> zh-tw.
>> >
>>
>> No, I didn't mean to remove <90% translations.
>> Did we do that before ?
>> I thought the criteria was 66%.
>>
>> I just realized the difference situation we met in this release.
>> We have included plugin projects.
>> Before mitaka, we only focus on Horizon translation.
>> If we only take a look at the completion rate of Horizon[1], I think most
>> active translation team have achieved >66%. So it means, we don't need to
>> remove any languages from the list.
>> If we consider the overall completion rate of plugin projects together
>> with Horizon projects, some languages are less than 66%.
>> My suggestion is to only consider the progress of Horizon project.
>> 90% is too strict, I think. 66% is better.
>>
>> > Akihiro
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> In future releases, I think we should automate this as a part of
>> > >> translation import jobs.
>> > >> I will reduce the work of horizon liaison.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > I agree.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Akihiro
>> > >>
>> > >> [1] https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/
>> > >> openstack_dashboard/settings.py#L198-L215
>> > >> [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/
>> > >> Infrastructure#Translation_percentage_changes
>> > >>
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>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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