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>    1. Re: Results from installation of OpenStack on     Debian
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I'm on vacation this week but saw this and will reply now but not the rest
of the week.


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> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 01:36:57 +0100
> From: Thomas Goirand <zigo at debian.org>
> To: "openstack-docs at lists.openstack.org"
>         <openstack-docs at lists.openstack.org>,  Alexander Adamov
>         <aadamov at mirantis.com>
> Subject: Re: [OpenStack-docs] Results from installation of OpenStack
>         on      Debian
> Message-ID: <550382A9.7080607 at debian.org>
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> On 03/13/2015 10:51 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > On 03/13/2015 03:32 AM, Anne Gentle wrote:
> >> I do acknowledge your concerns, absolutely. If you or Alex could come up
> >> with a plan that mitigates both my lack of knowledge
> >
> > A few ideas:
> > - Make sure I ack and agree with this kind of harsh decision
> > - Make sure I confirm the issues reported
> > - Make sure any bug report is reported accurately and correctly and if
> > it's not, ask the reported to do it better. As I wrote: one bug per
> > issue, one issue per bug, and all bugs must be actionable and fixable.
> > Perceiving a strongly opinionated attitude in a bug report isn't
> acceptable.
> >
> > Finally, and if you have time, try once at least to use Debian +
> > OpenStack (I am OK to answer any question you may have and help). For
> > someone of your knowledge, it will take only a few hours of your time, I
> > believe, and this will give you a good idea of how it works.
> >
> >> and the risk of inaccurate docs I'd like to review it so we can
> >> all move forward.
> >
> > On each and every release (for the last 3 releases), I've done a full
> > review of the doc, and proposed Debian specific patches. This is far
> > from perfect, I admit it, but until there's more contributors to the
> > Debian doc (like Alex), this is the best I can do. I really believe this
> > is better than just no doc at all for Debian users.
> >
> > Also, I completely fail to see in what way removing the link to the
> > Debian doc is an improvement. Could you explain what's the reasoning
> here?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Thomas Goirand (zigo)
>
> I went to all remaining bug reports made by Matt, and provided an answer
> to all of them. On what he wrote, there's only one thing which deserves
> fixing: the compute nodes have, by default on Debian, some references to
> the external bridge, which makes the OVS agent refuse to start.
>
> All other issues have either been fixed at the packaging level, or are
> wrong assumptions from Matt.
>
>
This sounds like a personal issue with Matt -- that's not the case is it?
We've got an install guide upstream team starting. Ideally you'll join in
the larger install guide effort.


> So now, could someone explain to me for what reason the Debian guide
> link has been removed? Could it be restored ASAP?
>
>
I'd like to see involvement in the planning for this release's work of the
install guide. There's a spec at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160603/,
yes it happens to be written by Matt, but I expect the changes this release
to be very lightweight, and in that plan, certainly the link can be
restored.

If you look at my comments in the review you'll see I'm looking for
justification for Debian to be included and seeking input from Debian
contributors (not just calling on you, realize) on plans for the upcoming
release of the install guide.

If you are willing to get involved there we'd welcome the input.
Argumentative or personal issues won't be tolerated though.

We want the upstream guides to have similar goals and if you personally are
not on board with the discussed goals (such as, no deprecation warnings,
agreed-upon upstream architectures) you have to find another place to
publish. Your emails make me think you see it as "your guide" and while all
voices are welcome, it is a community guide and requires community
maintenance.

Again, I'm on vacation this week so I'll circle back in another week on
both the spec and any progress from the team.

Thanks,
Anne



> Cheers,
>
> Thomas Goirand (zigo)
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