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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>
> To: "Steve Gordon" <sgordon at redhat.com>
> 
> While OpenStack RC code often sufficiently tests services, packaging
> concerns such as dependencies and default configuration options tend to lag
> by one or more milestone/RC cycles. The RDO repository only contained
> milestone 3 packages until just prior to the official release of Juno when
> RC2 packages appeared in it.

RC2 tarballs themselves only became available just prior to the official release (e.g. Oct 9th for Cinder, Oct 10th for Neutron) and were put into the repo on the 13th. The gap between RC1 tarballs being available and being put in the repo was similar.

> Testing packages (even just the core services), writing patches, reviewing 
> patches, and general time allocation
> issues can delay a functional installation guide by a week or more beyond
> the package release date. Furthermore, the RDO packages require testing on
> RHEL/CentOS and Fedora plus the neutron and nova-network variations. I
> would like to provide users with a mostly functional installation guide on
> the official release date which would require availability of at least RC
> packages at least one week prior to the official release date. 
> release packages becoming available yesterday afternoon and the plan to cut
> juno/stable for openstack-manuals tomorrow gives us about one day to
> install the packages on two distributions each with two variants, determine
> the issues, write patches, test them, and run them through the review
> process before all changes involve backports.

As a result of user feedback from previous test days we stage and test the RDO packages to ensure basic sanity before putting them into the repo, this takes time but ensures that we have at least some level of confidence in the packages being deployed and avoids user frustration caused by basic issues that can be easily prevented. If you wish to access the staged packages in future while they are still undergoing testing, just ask (they are public, just not in the main repo).

-Steve

> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Steve Gordon <sgordon at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>
> > > To: "Anne Gentle" <anne at openstack.org>
> > >
> > > If other reasons (outside of the installation guide) exist to move it on
> > > the 29th rather than wait until after the summit, I can deal... but
> > > backporting patches for RHEL/CentOS/Fedora will take more time and
> > effort.
> > > Not our fault RDO can't push release packages out in a reasonable amount
> > of
> > > time.
> >
> > Can you elaborate on what's reasonable so we can endeavour to accommodate
> > in future? Our aim this time around was for +2 weeks on upstream release to
> > allow some level of smoke testing to occur, despite that M-3 and RC
> > packages that could have been used were available leading up to this.
> >
> > We've been communicating this to users @
> > https://www.redhat.com/archives/rdo-list/
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Anne Gentle <anne at openstack.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Matt Kassawara <mkassawara at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> The RDO Juno release packages for RHEL/CentOS/Fedora only became
> > > >> available today [1] which leaves very little time for testing and
> > patching
> > > >> the installation guide prior to cutting juno/stable for
> > openstack-manuals
> > > >> on the 29th. Can we push it out a day or two?
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I think if we don't do the 29th it'll be after Nov 7th due to Andreas's
> > > > and my travel schedules, is that an okay solution?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> [1]
> > > >>
> > https://openstack.redhat.com/forum/discussion/992/rdo-juno-packages-available
> > > >>
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> > > >>
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> >
> > --
> > Steve Gordon, RHCE
> > Sr. Technical Product Manager,
> > Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform
> >
>