[all][foundation][ecosystem] External projects under the foundation hat

Sean Mooney smooney at redhat.com
Tue Jun 28 13:44:22 UTC 2022

On Tue, 2022-06-28 at 09:12 -0400, Emilien Macchi wrote:
> Sorry for the late reply, I'm still catching up e-mail backlog and plan to
> dig more in this thread at some point. I just wanted to answer Sean's
> question very simply. See inline below:
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 9:59 AM Sean Mooney <smooney at redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2022-06-27 at 15:30 +0200, Artem Goncharov wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > ther eare some convince factors to github and many inconvenices.,
> > > > it has a vastly inferior code review model that if i was force to use
> > would push me out of the openstack comunity long term.
> > > > im sure there are others too that feel stongly that moving to a github
> > pull request based workflow woudl be a large regerssion
> > > > and make them less inclined to continue working on openstack.
> > > 
> > > The thread is being very explicit about external projects and not the
> > OpenStack itself.
> > yep but that is unhelpful.
> > if any external project that work with openstack want to become part of
> > openstack under the foundatiosn governace it is
> > nolonger external.
> > 
> > so if gophercloud was to become part of openstack it would not be external
> > and if it wanted to you github pull requests
> > for it workflow it woudl be deviating form the other openstack projects.
> > 
> > external project that are not part of openstack governacne can use any
> > tooling they like.
> > 
> > if we start allowing arbiatry internal and external project to use gerrit
> > or github workflows of worse both concurrently
> > we will start getting request to supprot that for other proejct like nova
> > neutron ectra. i woudl see that as damaging
> > to the exsting colaberator based and something to be avoided if we can.
> > 
> > im not really sure what gophercloud want to achive by being part of
> > openstack without adopting the openstack
> > ways of doing things that they cant acive by bing a nice go sdk for
> > openstack on there own with the well wishes
> > and or support of the openstack comunity.
> > 
> > the 4 opens are a core part of the culture of openstack
> > simiarly the ways of workign with irc/gerrit/zuul/ptgs are also a part of
> > the openstack way.
> > 
> > i am wondering why gophercloud want to actully becoem an offial proejct if
> > they dont want to adopt the open developement workflow (note i did not say
> > model) that openstack uses?
> > 
> I'm a Gophercloud maintainer and can provide some context. Some of us at
> Red Hat inherited the project (
> https://github.com/gophercloud/gophercloud/issues/2246) at the end of last
> year. The first thing we did was to check if the project could fit under the
> opendev umbrella as it seemed like the natural place to us. The discussion
> was run in the open: https://github.com/gophercloud/gophercloud/issues/2257
> and
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-November/025660.html
> The main reasons were:
> * Gain more sustainability, contributors around the community and more
> diversity in maintainers
> * More stable CI (not relevant anymore since we moved to Github Actions,
> and we do not rely on openlab anymore)
> * CI integration in other projects
> * Better governance

Thanks for that context.

with that in mind im not sure it makes sense to proceed with movign it under openstack

i agree that it woudl be nice form a governance perspective to include it under the sdk team
but if the opendev ways or workign dont work for the existing contibutor base im not sure
it makes sense for ether comuntiy i do agree these ^ are good reasons to consider this change
but im not conviced it woudl be good for openstack to add github hosting and review workflow.
> When we asked the Gophercloud contributors about using gerrit, the feedback
> wasn't positive (details in #2257) so at this point we decided to not
> proceed further at the time.
> Due to the nature of the project, a lot of our pull-requests are "drive-by
> contributions" (e.g. to add new fields to the API) by new contributors;
> which ought to be considered if we were going to Gerrit.
> That being said, if we get more contributions from the OpenStack community,
> this would certainly help to justify the move under opendev.

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