Freenode and libera.chat

Chris Morgan mihalis68 at gmail.com
Wed May 26 15:41:48 UTC 2021


I looked over libera chat's tweet stream (
https://twitter.com/liberachat/with_replies), from the retweets there seems
to be a clear pattern of groups who dislike what's happening over at
freenode jumping predominantly to libera. Perhaps that's the right thing
for openstack too (I had previously said let's go to OFTC since Jeremy has
done some prep work), but let's go somewhere other than fn stat

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 9:29 AM Julia Kreger <juliaashleykreger at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 7:09 AM Jeremy Stanley <fungi at yuggoth.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 2021-05-21 14:14:30 +0000 (+0000), Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> > > On 2021-05-21 12:36:29 +0100 (+0100), Erno Kuvaja wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > Looking at the movement over the past day, it seems like we're the
> > > > only hesitant party here. Rest of the communities have either
> > > > moved to libera.chat or OFTC. I'd strongly advise us to do the
> > > > same before things turn sour.
> > >
> > > OpenStack isn't the only community taking a careful and measured
> > > approach to the decision. Ansible deferred deciding what to do about
> > > their IRC channels until Wednesday of this coming week:
> > >
> > >     https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/19
> >
> > In a similar vein, I've noticed that #python, #python-dev, #pypa and
> > so on haven't moved off Freenode yet, though the topic in #python
> > suggests there's some ongoing discussion to determine whether they
> > should. Unfortunately it doesn't say where that's being discussed
> > though, maybe on the Python community mailing lists or Discourse,
> > however cursory searches I've performed turn up nothing.
> > --
> > Jeremy Stanley
>
> I suspect they, like everyone else who has seen some of the latest
> rules changes[0] and a report[1] of abuses of power, are looking at
> treading lightly in order to do the best thing for their community. I
> suspect we're going to see a mass migration to other platforms or
> tools, regardless at this point in time. The rules changes are just
> going to make it more difficult to keep the existing channels as
> redirects.
>
> I firmly believe this is no longer a matter of should, but we now have
> an imperative to ensure community communication continuity. If the
> higher level project doesn't wish to come to quick consensus, then I
> believe individual projects will make their own decisions and we'll
> end up fragmenting the communication channels until things settle
> down.
>
> [0]:
> https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/pull/513/commits/2037126831a84c57f978268f090fc663cf43ed7a#diff-0e382b024f696a3b7a0ff3bce24ae3166cc6f383d059c7cc61e0a3ccdeed522c
> [1]: https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse
>
>

-- 
Chris Morgan <mihalis68 at gmail.com>
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