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> On 20. May 2021, at 16:38, Sean Mooney <smooney at redhat.com> wrote:
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> On Thu, 2021-05-20 at 15:58 +0200, Artem Goncharov wrote:
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>>> On 20. May 2021, at 15:46, Dmitry Tantsur <dtantsur at redhat.com> wrote:
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>>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 2:24 PM Mohammed Naser <mnaser at vexxhost.com <mailto:mnaser at vexxhost.com>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 9:23 AM Erno Kuvaja <ekuvaja at redhat.com <mailto:ekuvaja at redhat.com>> wrote:
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>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> For those of you who have not woken up to this sad day yet. Andrew Lee has taken his stance as owner of freenode ltd. and by the (one sided) story of the former volunteer staff members basically forced the whole community out.
>>>> 
>>>> As there is history of LTM shutting down networks before (snoonet), it is appropriate to expect that the intentions here are not aligned with the communities and specially the users who's data he has access to via this administrative takeover.
>>>> 
>>>> I think it's our time to take swift action and show our support to all the hard working volunteers who were behind freenode and move all our activities to irc.libera.chat.
>>>> 
>>>> Please see https://twitter.com/freenodestaff <https://twitter.com/freenodestaff> and Christian's letter which links to the others as well https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt <https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt>
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Erno 'jokke' Kuvaja
>>> 
>>> There is two sides to each story, this is the other one:
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>>> https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-foss <https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-foss>
>>> 
>>> I recommend that so long that we don't have any problems, we keep things as is.
>>> 
>>> Well, we already have a problem: ruined trust from the participants. We've had people explicitly voicing their undesire to use freenode any longer. Given that IRC is already not very inclusive (see my other emails), we may end up with several disjointed chats for different community members - exactly the thing we want to avoid.
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>>> -1 to pretending that nothing has happened.
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>> +1 on -1
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> well we already kind of have that with many of our chineese contiutors using wechat
> instead. i dont think may of the coparte chat service are more inclusive then irc.
> e.g. i woudl rate slack as less inclusive since it actively prevent bridging to other services
> and may or may not be avaiable in different gograpical regoins.

So far I hear Slack is bad, Slack is bad. But nobody proposed we should switch to Slack (I am myself not fan of it). Instead we first need to admit there are issues with existing solution and start thinking how to deal with that (I feel exactly this ack is not what we all share). 

Feels like “IRC is a religion” and thus this arguing.

> https://www.travelchinacheaper.com/index-blocked-websites-in-china
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China
> otehr distibuted/selfhosted comuntionation network like matrix can certenly work but wehn
> looking options we have to take that into account.
+1

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> not everyone can access every service or has the bandwith to do so and useing somehtin light wight like irc
> give us the possiblity to reach more peopel.
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> for what its worth hermes which is no end of line unfortunetly was a greate mobile irc client
> https://github.com/numixproject/android-app-suite/tree/master/Hermes
> and https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ruesga.rview&gl=IE is a pretty good mobile client for gerrit
> both of which i have used wehn traveling to ptgs in the past when i have needed to interact with our exstiing tools away form a laptop/pc.

And here there is some sort of contradiction (or at least me disagreeing): IRC due to its age and as a consequence absence of modern (and, importantly, maintained) tools and apps is not really helping to reach more people. I am personally struggling to find any working irc bouncer (I even already thrown away idea of having mobile app at all). My colleagues are not present in IRC at all due to that reason (it is simply not worth of invest).

For the links you gave I think that Gerrit has reasonably good mobile WebUI support (last months I am fine with eventually reviewing/approving/rechecking changes from mobile browser). For IRC you can say there is nothing like that (due to the protocol specifics).


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