Open Stack

On Thu, 2021-05-20 at 09:30 +0200, Dmitry Tantsur wrote:
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 3:42 PM Erno Kuvaja <ekuvaja at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 2:34 PM Dmitry Tantsur <dtantsur at redhat.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 3:21 PM Erno Kuvaja <ekuvaja at redhat.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > 
> > > > For those of you who have not woken up to this sad day yet. Andrew Lee
> > > > has taken his stance as owner of freenode ltd. and by the (one sided) story
> > > > of the former volunteer staff members basically forced the whole community
> > > > out.
> > > > 
> > > > As there is history of LTM shutting down networks before (snoonet), it
> > > > is appropriate to expect that the intentions here are not aligned with the
> > > > communities and specially the users who's data he has access to via this
> > > > administrative takeover.
> > > > 
> > > > I think it's our time to take swift action and show our support to all
> > > > the hard working volunteers who were behind freenode and move all our
> > > > activities to irc.libera.chat.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Probably not the best timing, but should we consider (again) running a
> > > more advanced free software chat system? E.g. Outreachy uses Zulip, Mozilla
> > > - Matrix, there are probably more.
> > > 
> > > Yeah I'd say not the greatest timing to start such a conversation under
> > pressure.
> > 
> > FWIF I'd rather not. The signal to noise ratio tends to be very poor on
> > all of them with their stickers, gifs and all the active media crap
> > embedded in them.
> > 
> 
> FWIW we face the need to paste images very often (screenshots of booting
> bare metal), so having a native image pasting is a plus to me.
> 
> Actually, text pasting as well. If you've ever encountered someone pasting
> 50 lines of a traceback to IRC, you know why.

> 
> Other features I'm looking for include:
> 1) Native authentication
> 2) Chat history and offline messages
> 3) Editing and deleting messages
i actully think this ^ in partacalar is not something we want to have.
at least not for arbiary tiem because it can retoactivly cahnge the context or tone of a
conversation so deleteion and modifcation should be avoid retoactivly.

> 4) Threads (or any other way of sub-division of channels)
im not sure about this but in limited cases it might be useful generally thouhg spliting
a channel i think woudl be a disadvantage as generally you want to have input form the channel as a whole
breakout rooms can be useful from tim eto time but that is not typically the norm.
> 5) Moderation tools (better than #openstack-unregistered which is hostile
> to newcomers)
we have generel done well without needing to do active moderation.
#openstack-unregistered only was put in place to stop spam which is slightly differnt the moderation
in terems of kicks and bans form a channel which i dont recall ever needing to use upstream at least in the nova channel.
perhaps it has happened but that type of moderation largely has been unneed and i hope it will remain that way.

> 
> Nice to have:
> 6) Mobile client
> 7) Non-trivial syntax
> 
> And yes, I do know that all of these (except for #3) can be simulated more
> or less with 3rd party tools. But this is not friendly to newcomers who
> don't have an own bouncer and familiarity with how things work in IRC
> (which does not match how things work in any other current chat - see
> #openstack-unregistered for an example).
> 
> Dmitry
> 
> P.S.
> I don't suggest the infra team maintains a matrix server. I do think that
> we, given how much money is made from OpenStack, can afford to do the same
> thing as Mozilla: pay Element for a hosted Matrix instance (and let them
> bother with scaling).
> 
> I find the current situation of putting the burden on Freenode volunteers a
> bit unfair and vote against moving to Libera for this very reason.
> 
> 
> > 
> > - jokke
> > 
> > 
> > > Dmitry
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Please see https://twitter.com/freenodestaff and Christian's letter
> > > > which links to the others as well
> > > > https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt
> > > > 
> > > > Best,
> > > > Erno 'jokke' Kuvaja
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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