Freenode and

Artem Goncharov artem.goncharov at
Wed May 19 16:22:28 UTC 2021

Yes, pool would be great.

Please do not take this offensive, but just stating IRC survived till now and thus we should keep it is not really productive from my pov.

Why is everything what OpenStack doing/using is so complex? (Please do not comment on the items below, I’m not really interested in any answers/explanations. This is a rhetorical question)
- gerrit. Yes it is great, yes it is fulfilling our needs. But how much we would lower the entry barrier for the contributions not using such complex setup that we have.
- irc. Yes it survived till now. Yes it does simple things the best way. When I am online - everything is perfect (except of often connection drops). But the fun starts when I am not online (one of the simplest things for the communication platform with normally 60% of the day duration). Why should anyone care of searching any reasonably maintained IRC bouncer (or grep through eavesdrop logs), would should anyone pay for a simple mobile client?
- issue tracker. You know yourself...

Onboarding new people into the OpenStack contribution is a process of multiple months (so many times done that, also with all the Student programs we do).
Once you are in it for years - everything seems to be absolutely fine. But entering this world is nearly a nightmare.

I do not want to say - let’s change everything at once (or anything at all), but if we have chance we should not abandon idea of doing things better this time. In a daily work we all swim in workarounds we did for nearly everything.


> On 19. May 2021, at 16:56, Kashyap Chamarthy <kchamart at> wrote:
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 01:49:33PM +0000, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> [...]
>> In past years when the stability of Freenode's service came into
>> question, we've asserted that OFTC would probably have been a better
>> home for our channels from the beginning (as they're more aligned
>> with our community philosophies), but we ended up on Freenode mostly
>> due to the Ubuntu community's presence there. We'd previously been
>> unable to justify the impact to users of switching networks, but
>> there seemed to be consensus that if Freenode shut down we'd move to
>> OFTC. The earliest concrete proposal I can find for this was made in
>> March 2014, but it's come up multiple times in the years since:
>> Honestly I'd be concerned about moving to a newly-established IRC
>> network, and would much prefer the stability of a known and
>> established one.
> Yeah, moving to OFTC makes a lot of sense.  FWIW, I've been
> participating on #qemu and #virt channels on OFTC for more than six
> years now and I've rarely seen glitches or random drops there.  
> (Also, agree with Dan Smith on "move one step to the left", i.e.
> low-to-no friction.)
> -- 
> /kashyap

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