[all][tc] Moving PTL role to "Maintainers"
johnsomor at gmail.com
Tue Mar 3 18:34:16 UTC 2020
Putting my former PTL hat on:
I agree with Slawek. I think the PTL role is still important.
That said, the list of responsibilities can get daunting.
I would lean toward re-affirming the "Project Team Leads" statement
you linked and highlight, in the new contributor guides, that the
other tasks can be delegated. Maybe we should also re-word that
statement to clarify or soften the "manage day-to-day operations"
I think over the history of OpenStack we have had "hands on" PTLs and
more "delegate" PTLs, both supporting healthy projects.
The lack of a clear "boundary" for the PTL role has probably lead to
Fear-Uncertainty-and-Doubt. My hope is that the new contributor guide
goal will help clarify the role.
This may also highlight tasks that we can remove (deprecate
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 9:22 AM Herve Beraud <hberaud at redhat.com> wrote:
> Le mar. 3 mars 2020 à 18:13, Graham Hayes <gr at ham.ie> a écrit :
>> On 02/03/2020 21:45, Mohammed Naser wrote:
>> > Hi everyone:
>> > We're now in a spot where we have an increasing amount of projects
>> > that don't end up with a volunteer as PTL, even if the project has
>> > contributors .. no one wants to hold that responsibility alone for
>> > many reasons. With time, the PTL role has become far more overloaded
>> > with many extra responsibilities than what we define in our charter:
>> > https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html#project-team-leads
>> > I think it's time to re-evaluate the project leadership model that we
>> > have. I am thinking that perhaps it would make a lot of sense to move
>> > from a single PTL model to multiple maintainers. This would leave it
>> > up to the maintainers to decide how they want to sort the different
>> > requirements/liaisons/contact persons between them.
>> > The above is just a very basic idea, I don't intend to diving much
>> > more in depth for now as I'd like to hear about what the rest of the
>> > community thinks.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Mohammed
>> Yeah, this is a tough spot.
>> When we have talked about this in the past, we have theorized the role
>> could be stripped back to "Project Liaison to the TC". As noted in other
>> replies, the worry is that there is a lot of work that goes to the PTL
>> by default currently.
>> We should look at this work, and if is it not bringing value, just
>> remove it.
>> If it is bringing value, how do we ensure that someone does it?
>> My consistent worry with the removal of the PTL single point
>> of contact, is that without it, this work will get missed.
> I agree the best way to miss something is to spread responsibility between members, everybody thinks that others are watchful.
> Hervé Beraud
> Senior Software Engineer
> Red Hat - Openstack Oslo
> irc: hberaud
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