[tc] [ironic] Promoting ironic to a top-level opendev project?

Mohammed Naser mnaser at vexxhost.com
Mon Apr 6 15:07:33 UTC 2020

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 10:53 AM Sean McGinnis <sean.mcginnis at gmx.com> wrote:
> On 4/6/20 9:45 AM, Mohammed Naser wrote:
> > Hi Dmitry,
> >
> > Thank you for raising this.  I think what you're looking for makes
> > sense, I don't think splitting outside OpenStack is the right solution
> > for this.  There are many logistical issues in doing this.
> >
> > First of all, it promotes even more bureaucracy within our community
> > which is something that we're trying to split.   "Ironic" and
> > "OpenStack" becoming two separate pieces means that we've failed as a
> > community to be able to deliver what OpenStack is.  If we do this, we
> > further promote the separation of our communities and that is not
> > sustainable.  With a dwindling contributor base, we'll find power in
> > standing together in big groups, not by isolating ourselves to small
> > islands.
> >
> > Arguably, you would say that "well, Ironic is picking up outside
> > OpenStack and we want to capitalize on that".  I agree with you on
> > that, I think we should absolutely do that.  However, I think simply
> > just becoming a top-level project is not the way to go about this.  It
> > will introduce a lot more work to our (already overwhelmed) OSF staff,
> > it means maintaining a new identity, it means applying to be a pilot
> > project and going through the whole process.  It means that all
> > existing developer may need to have to revise the way they do work
> > because they have signed the CCLA for OpenStack and not "Ironic".
> > We're adding a whole lot of bureaucray when the problem is messaging.
> >
> > I've gone over your points below about what you think this will do and
> > strongly suggest those alternatives.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mohammed
> Cinder has been useful stand alone for several years now, but I have
> also seen the reaction of "why would I use that, I don't need all of
> that OpenStack stuff".
> I wonder if we need to do something better to highlight and message that
> there are certain components of OpenStack that are useful as independent
> components that can exist on their own.

I think that Sean here hit on the most critical point we need to
drive.  There's no
amount of splitting that would resolve this.

> Sean

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