[sig] Forming a Large scale SIG
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Thu Nov 14 09:31:10 UTC 2019
first of all thanks to Thierry for driving this SIG creation.
Having a SIG to discuss how to deploy/operate a large deployment will be
In my opinion we shouldn't restrict ourselves to a specific project or
deployment size (or number of cells) but discuss the limits of each project
architecture, the projects dependencies, limitations at scale
(functionality vs simplicity), operational difficulties...
Sharing experiences and understand the different challenges and actions
that we are using to mitigate them will be extremely valuable.
I think that we already have a lot of examples of companies/organizations
that are deploying OpenStack at large scale. Compiling all this information
(Summit presentations, blogs, superuser articles, ...) will be a good
starting point for all operators and discussions. Every deployment is
I also would like this SIG to be the bridge between the operators of large
deployments and developers. Bringing specific pain points to discussion
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 8:25 AM Arnaud MORIN <arnaud.morin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> +1 for me and my employer (OVH).
> We are mostly interested in sharing good practices when deploying a region
> at scale, and operating it.
> For the deployment part, my main pain point is about the configuration
> parameters I should use on different software (e.g. nova behind wsgi).
> The current doc is designed to deploy a small pod, but when we are going
> large, usually some of those params needs tuning. I'd like to identify them
> and eventually tag them to help other being aware that they are useful at
> large scale.
> About operating, I am pretty sure we can share some good advices as well.
> E.g., avoid restarting neutron agents in a single shot.
> So definitely interested in that group. Thanks for bringing that up.
> Le mer. 13 nov. 2019 à 19:00, Stig Telfer <stig.openstack at telfer.org> a
> écrit :
>> Hi Thierry & all -
>> Thanks for your mail. I’m interested in joining this SIG. Among others,
>> I’m interested in participating in discussions around these common problems:
>> - golden signals for scaling bottlenecks (and what to do about them)
>> - using Ansible at scale
>> - strategies for simplifying OpenStack functionality in order to scale
>> > On 13 Nov 2019, at 11:18, Thierry Carrez <thierry at openstack.org> wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> > In Shanghai we held a forum session to gauge interest in a new SIG to
>> specifically address cluster scaling issues. In the past we had several
>> groups ("Large deployments", "Performance", LCOO...) but those efforts were
>> arguably a bit too wide and those groups are now abandoned.
>> > My main goal here is to get large users directly involved in a domain
>> where their expertise can best translate into improvements in the software.
>> It's easy for such a group to go nowhere while trying to boil the ocean. To
>> maximize its chances of success and make it sustainable, the group should
>> have a narrow focus, and reasonable objectives.
>> > My personal idea for the group focus was to specifically address
>> scaling issues within a single cluster: basically identify and address
>> issues that prevent scaling a single cluster (or cell) past a number of
>> nodes. By sharing analysis and experience, the group could identify common
>> pain points that, once solved, would help raising that number.
>> > There was a lot of interest in that session, and it predictably
>> exploded in lots of different directions, including some that are
>> definitely past a single cluster (like making Neutron better support
>> cells). I think it's fine: my initial proposal was more of a strawman.
>> Active members of the group should really define what they collectively
>> want to work on. And the SIG name should be picked to match that.
>> > I'd like to help getting that group off the ground and to a place where
>> it can fly by itself, without needing external coordination. The first step
>> would be to identify interested members and discuss group scope and
>> objectives. Given the nature of the group (with interested members in
>> Japan, Europe, Australia and the US) it will be hard to come up with a
>> synchronous meeting time that will work for everyone, so let's try to hold
>> that discussion over email.
>> > So to kick this off: if you are interested in that group, please reply
>> to this email, introduce yourself and tell us what you would like the group
>> scope and objectives to be, and what you can contribute to the group.
>> > Thanks!
>> >  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PVG-large-scale-SIG
>> > --
>> > Thierry Carrez (ttx)
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