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On Tue, Mar 19 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote:

Thanks Trinh for your response. This sounds like a great opportunity to
bring new blood to the Telemetry project.

> Hi Julien, Doug, and others,
>
> Thanks for your comments. Your concerns make a lot of sense. I just have a
> couple of thoughts on this.
>
> For envisioning Telemetry future, I do need help from existing contributors
> and users. The reasons for me to volunteer are I believe Ceilometer/Aodh is
> still critical for OpenStack and they're embedded in many of other projects
> that I'm working on (Fenix, Tacker, etc.). Also, I wouldn't do this without
> Lingxian and his team expertise. Lingxian could be the great PTL but he's
> too busy with the other two projects (Qinling and Trove) so I want to give
> him a hand.
>
> I can see my role as the PTL (just like Searchlight which I never touch
> before becoming its PTL) is a contact point and a coordinator that help to
> push Telemetry toward common goals that the team agreed. Moreover, I do
> believe in PTL's main job is helping and encouraging potential
> contributors. So my main goal for Telemetry in Train is to sustain the
> project with a strong base of contributors and a healthy community until I
> can find a replacement.
>
> Bests,
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 8:52 AM Tim Bell <Tim.Bell at cern.ch> wrote:
>
>> It would be an interesting forum topic for the upcoming Denver summit to
>> understand where we are with Telemetry and potential approaches for the
>> future (Is the Telemetry project the way forward? Is Monasca an potential
>> replacement? Are there alternative approaches which the community should be
>> considering?, ...)
>>
>> It's not clear to me what we should be recommending for a new cloud
>> deployment as regards this functional area.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com>
>> Date: Monday, 18 March 2019 at 17:06
>> To: Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong at gmail.com>, Mohammed Naser <
>> mnaser at vexxhost.com>
>> Cc: Julien Danjou <julien at danjou.info>, Trinh Nguyen <
>> dangtrinhnt at gmail.com>, "openstack-discuss at lists.openstack.org" <
>> openstack-discuss at lists.openstack.org>
>> Subject: Re: [telemetry][ptl][volunteer][tc] Telemetry PTL for Train
>>
>>     Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>     > I was supposed to volunteer myself being Ceilometer PTL because we
>> have
>>     > also deployed Ceilometer in production. I haven't contributed
>> Ceilometer
>>     > for several dev cycles but I'm familiar with Ceilometer code (and
>> Aodh as
>>     > well), and I am an active contributor for OpenStack for 6 years.
>>     >
>>     > Trinh chatted with me in IRC for the same interest in Ceilometer as
>> they
>>     > are also using Ceilometer and Aodh in production. I'm very happy he
>> could
>>     > help because maybe I'll be too busy with maintaining two other
>> projects. I
>>     > (and other developers in our company) can definitely help if needed.
>>     >
>>     > Personally, I think being a PTL not only means the one who has
>> contributed
>>     > a lot, but also means the one who is willing to help the project
>> developers
>>     > and users, and doing the common tasks in order to coordinate with
>> the whole
>>     > community, most importantly, the one who is the real user of a
>>     > project.
>>
>>     I agree, although it is a little concerning that the contributor base
>>     for the project is so small.
>>
>>     I am excited to have new contributors pick the project up, so thank you
>>     for volunteering!
>>
>>     Doug
>>
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Cheers,
>>     > Lingxian Kong
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:31 AM Mohammed Naser <mnaser at vexxhost.com>
>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     >> FWIW: Trinh has done an excellent job with Searchlight, so I think
>> the
>>     >> project would be in great hands.
>>     >>
>>     >> Sent from my iPhone
>>     >>
>>     >> > On Mar 18, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Doug Hellmann <
>> doug at doughellmann.com>
>>     >> wrote:
>>     >> >
>>     >> > Julien Danjou <julien at danjou.info> writes:
>>     >> >
>>     >> >> On Sun, Mar 17 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote:
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >> Hi Trinh,
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >>> Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1],
>> Telemetry has
>>     >> >>> been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of
>> OpenStack.
>>     >> We and
>>     >> >>> some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of
>> Telemetry)
>>     >> so we
>>     >> >>> don't want that happen.
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>> Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the
>>     >> current PTL
>>     >> >>> of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work
>> together
>>     >> to
>>     >> >>> maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email
>> stating
>>     >> that I
>>     >> >>> would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train.
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>> Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of
>> Telemetry
>>     >> >>> ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and
>> Freezer
>>     >> give
>>     >> >>> me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as
>> OpenStack
>>     >> >>> development procedure. You're in the good hands.
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >> I'm glad reading that people are still interested in Telemetry!
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >> How do you envision leading a project you never contributed to?
>> I'm
>>     >> >> wondering how someone can do that in practice.
>>     >> >> Or do you see that just role being a straw-man job to avoid the
>> project
>>     >> >> for being tagged as abandoned?
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >> Cheers,
>>     >> >> --
>>     >> >> Julien Danjou
>>     >> >> // Free Software hacker
>>     >> >> // https://julien.danjou.info
>>     >> >
>>     >> > Without another volunteer, I'm not sure I see an alternative
>> between
>>     >> > shutting the project down and letting someone who has not
>> contributed
>>     >> > try to take it over. Do you have something else to propose?
>>     >> >
>>     >> > --
>>     >> > Doug
>>     >> >
>>     >>
>>
>>     --
>>     Doug
>>
>>
>>
>>

-- 
Julien Danjou
/* Free Software hacker
   https://julien.danjou.info */
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