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Hi Julien, Doug, and others,

Thanks for your comments. Your concerns make a lot of sense. I just have a
couple of thoughts on this.

For envisioning Telemetry future, I do need help from existing contributors
and users. The reasons for me to volunteer are I believe Ceilometer/Aodh is
still critical for OpenStack and they're embedded in many of other projects
that I'm working on (Fenix, Tacker, etc.). Also, I wouldn't do this without
Lingxian and his team expertise. Lingxian could be the great PTL but he's
too busy with the other two projects (Qinling and Trove) so I want to give
him a hand.

I can see my role as the PTL (just like Searchlight which I never touch
before becoming its PTL) is a contact point and a coordinator that help to
push Telemetry toward common goals that the team agreed. Moreover, I do
believe in PTL's main job is helping and encouraging potential
contributors. So my main goal for Telemetry in Train is to sustain the
project with a strong base of contributors and a healthy community until I
can find a replacement.

Bests,

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 8:52 AM Tim Bell <Tim.Bell at cern.ch> wrote:

> It would be an interesting forum topic for the upcoming Denver summit to
> understand where we are with Telemetry and potential approaches for the
> future (Is the Telemetry project the way forward? Is Monasca an potential
> replacement? Are there alternative approaches which the community should be
> considering?, ...)
>
> It's not clear to me what we should be recommending for a new cloud
> deployment as regards this functional area.
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com>
> Date: Monday, 18 March 2019 at 17:06
> To: Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong at gmail.com>, Mohammed Naser <
> mnaser at vexxhost.com>
> Cc: Julien Danjou <julien at danjou.info>, Trinh Nguyen <
> dangtrinhnt at gmail.com>, "openstack-discuss at lists.openstack.org" <
> openstack-discuss at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [telemetry][ptl][volunteer][tc] Telemetry PTL for Train
>
>     Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong at gmail.com> writes:
>
>     > I was supposed to volunteer myself being Ceilometer PTL because we
> have
>     > also deployed Ceilometer in production. I haven't contributed
> Ceilometer
>     > for several dev cycles but I'm familiar with Ceilometer code (and
> Aodh as
>     > well), and I am an active contributor for OpenStack for 6 years.
>     >
>     > Trinh chatted with me in IRC for the same interest in Ceilometer as
> they
>     > are also using Ceilometer and Aodh in production. I'm very happy he
> could
>     > help because maybe I'll be too busy with maintaining two other
> projects. I
>     > (and other developers in our company) can definitely help if needed.
>     >
>     > Personally, I think being a PTL not only means the one who has
> contributed
>     > a lot, but also means the one who is willing to help the project
> developers
>     > and users, and doing the common tasks in order to coordinate with
> the whole
>     > community, most importantly, the one who is the real user of a
>     > project.
>
>     I agree, although it is a little concerning that the contributor base
>     for the project is so small.
>
>     I am excited to have new contributors pick the project up, so thank you
>     for volunteering!
>
>     Doug
>
>     >
>     >
>     > Cheers,
>     > Lingxian Kong
>     >
>     >
>     > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:31 AM Mohammed Naser <mnaser at vexxhost.com>
> wrote:
>     >
>     >> FWIW: Trinh has done an excellent job with Searchlight, so I think
> the
>     >> project would be in great hands.
>     >>
>     >> Sent from my iPhone
>     >>
>     >> > On Mar 18, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Doug Hellmann <
> doug at doughellmann.com>
>     >> wrote:
>     >> >
>     >> > Julien Danjou <julien at danjou.info> writes:
>     >> >
>     >> >> On Sun, Mar 17 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote:
>     >> >>
>     >> >> Hi Trinh,
>     >> >>
>     >> >>> Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1],
> Telemetry has
>     >> >>> been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of
> OpenStack.
>     >> We and
>     >> >>> some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of
> Telemetry)
>     >> so we
>     >> >>> don't want that happen.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the
>     >> current PTL
>     >> >>> of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work
> together
>     >> to
>     >> >>> maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email
> stating
>     >> that I
>     >> >>> would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of
> Telemetry
>     >> >>> ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and
> Freezer
>     >> give
>     >> >>> me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as
> OpenStack
>     >> >>> development procedure. You're in the good hands.
>     >> >>
>     >> >> I'm glad reading that people are still interested in Telemetry!
>     >> >>
>     >> >> How do you envision leading a project you never contributed to?
> I'm
>     >> >> wondering how someone can do that in practice.
>     >> >> Or do you see that just role being a straw-man job to avoid the
> project
>     >> >> for being tagged as abandoned?
>     >> >>
>     >> >> Cheers,
>     >> >> --
>     >> >> Julien Danjou
>     >> >> // Free Software hacker
>     >> >> // https://julien.danjou.info
>     >> >
>     >> > Without another volunteer, I'm not sure I see an alternative
> between
>     >> > shutting the project down and letting someone who has not
> contributed
>     >> > try to take it over. Do you have something else to propose?
>     >> >
>     >> > --
>     >> > Doug
>     >> >
>     >>
>
>     --
>     Doug
>
>
>
>

-- 
*Trinh Nguyen*
*www.edlab.xyz <https://www.edlab.xyz>*
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