[kolla][kayobe] vote: kayobe as a kolla deliverable

Mark Goddard mark at stackhpc.com
Tue Jun 25 11:18:50 UTC 2019

On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 10:09, Michał Nasiadka <mnasiadka at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> Before I will vote - I would like to understand the future of Kayobe.
> Is the plan for it to stay as it is currently (Kolla on Bifrost)? Or
> rather to evolve and fill the place of kolla-cli?

I think it has potential to fill a kolla-cli like role. There are
deployments of kayobe that do not use the bare metal deployment
features. In that case you can still use the host configuration
features (networking, local storage, etc). There are also some
configuration patterns encouraged by kayobe such as version controlled
configuration (e.g.
https://github.com/SKA-ScienceDataProcessor/alaska-kayobe-config), and
we intend to add support for multiple environments (dev/staging/prod)
or regions within a single configuration repo. This does add some
complexity on top of kolla-ansible, so there is a trade off here.

> If we include it as a kolla deliverable - will it not have impact on
> it's current developers and cores?
> We already had a kolla-cli project, and when the creators left, nobody
> was there to pick it up...

I think the main impact on existing kolla developers will be increased
noise, due to covering kayobe topics in meetings and IRC. I wouldn't
expect kolla cores to start working on kayobe unless they wish to. We
already have contributors with interest only in kolla or

I do understand your concern given the recent experience with
kolla-cli. In that case the contributors left the community shortly
after the project became official and we did not really integrate it
well. It also did not see much adoption, for whatever reason. Of
course I can't predict the future, but I would say that kayobe is
quite different. It has been open source from the beginning, and now
has a significant user base. The kayobe team isn't going anywhere. We
hope that including the project as a kolla deliverable would allow it
to continue to grow.

> Thanks,
> Michal
> czw., 20 cze 2019 o 15:51 Mark Goddard <mark at stackhpc.com> napisał(a):
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > In the most recent kolla meeting [1] we discussed the possibility of
> > kayobe becoming a deliverable of the kolla project. This follows on
> > from discussion at the PTG and then on here [3].
> >
> > The two options discussed are:
> >
> > 1. become a deliverable of the Kolla project
> > 2. become an official top level OpenStack project
> >
> > There has been some positive feedback about option 1 and no negative
> > feedback that I am aware of. I would therefore like to ask the kolla
> > community to vote on whether to include kayobe as a deliverable of the
> > kolla project. The electorate is the kolla-core and kolla-ansible core
> > teams, excluding me. The opinion of others in the community is also
> > welcome.
> >
> > If you have questions or feedback, please respond to this email.
> >
> > Once you have made a decision, please respond with your answer to the
> > following question:
> >
> > "Should kayobe become a deliverable of the kolla project?" (yes/no)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> >
> > [1] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-06-19-15.00.log.html#l-120
> > [2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-ptg
> > [3] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006901.html
> >
> --
> Michał Nasiadka
> mnasiadka at gmail.com

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