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On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 8:27 AM Slawomir Kaplonski <skaplons at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > On 1 Jun 2019, at 20:49, Mohammed Naser <mnaser at vexxhost.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 1:46 PM Slawomir Kaplonski <skaplons at redhat.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I don’t know OSA at all so sorry if my question is dumb but in devstack we can easily write plugins, keep it in separate repo and such plugin can be easy used in devstack (e.g. in CI jobs it’s used a lot). Is something similar possible with OSA or will it be needed to contribute always every change to OSA repository?
> >
> > Not a dumb question at all.  So, we do have this concept of 'roles'
> > which you _could_ kinda technically identify similar to plugins.
> > However, I think one of the things that would maybe come out of this
> > is the inability for projects to maintain their own plugins (because
> > now you can host neutron/devstack/plugins and you maintain that repo
> > yourself), under this structure, you would indeed have to make those
> > changes to the OpenStack Ansible Neutron role
> >
> > i.e.: https://opendev.org/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_neutron
> >
> > However, I think from an OSA perspective, we would be more than happy
> > to add project maintainers for specific projects to their appropriate
> > roles.  It would make sense that there is someone from the Neutron
> > team that could be a core on os_neutron from example.
>
> Yes, that may work for official projects like Neutron. But what about everything else, like projects hosted now in opendev.org/x/ repositories? Devstack gives everyone easy way to integrate own plugin/driver/project with it and install it together with everything else by simply adding one line (usually) in local.conf file.
> I think that it may be a bit hard to OSA team to accept and review patches with new roles for every project or driver which isn’t official OpenStack project.

You raise a really good concern.  Indeed, we might have to change the workflow
from "write a plugin" to "write an Ansible role" to be able to test
your project with
DevStack at that page (or maintain both a "legacy" solution) with a new one.

> >
> >> Speaking about CI, e.g. in neutron we currently have jobs like neutron-functional or neutron-fullstack which uses only some parts of devstack. That kind of jobs will probably have to be rewritten after such change. I don’t know if neutron jobs are only which can be affected in that way but IMHO it’s something worth to keep in mind.
> >
> > Indeed, with our current CI infrastructure with OSA, we have the
> > ability to create these dynamic scenarios (which can actually be
> > defined by a simple Zuul variable).
> >
> > https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/zuul.d/playbooks/pre-gate-scenario.yml#L41-L46
> >
> > We do some really neat introspection of the project name being tested
> > in order to run specific scenarios.  Therefore, that is something that
> > should be quite easy to accomplish simply by overriding a scenario
> > name within Zuul.  It also is worth mentioning we now support full
> > metal deploys for a while now, so not having to worry about containers
> > is something to keep in mind as well (with simplifying the developer
> > experience again).
> >
> >>> On 1 Jun 2019, at 14:35, Mohammed Naser <mnaser at vexxhost.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> This is something that I've discussed with a few people over time and
> >>> I think I'd probably want to bring it up by now.  I'd like to propose
> >>> and ask if it makes sense to perhaps replace devstack entirely with
> >>> openstack-ansible.  I think I have quite a few compelling reasons to
> >>> do this that I'd like to outline, as well as why I *feel* (and I could
> >>> be biased here, so call me out!) that OSA is the best option in terms
> >>> of a 'replacement'
> >>>
> >>> # Why not another deployment project?
> >>> I actually thought about this part too and considered this mainly for
> >>> ease of use for a *developer*.
> >>>
> >>> At this point, Puppet-OpenStack pretty much only deploys packages
> >>> (which means that it has no build infrastructure, a developer can't
> >>> just get $commit checked out and deployed).
> >>>
> >>> TripleO uses Kolla containers AFAIK and those have to be pre-built
> >>> beforehand, also, I feel they are much harder to use as a developer
> >>> because if you want to make quick edits and restart services, you have
> >>> to enter a container and make the edit there and somehow restart the
> >>> service without the container going back to it's original state.
> >>> Kolla-Ansible and the other combinations also suffer from the same
> >>> "issue".
> >>>
> >>> OpenStack Ansible is unique in the way that it pretty much just builds
> >>> a virtualenv and installs packages inside of it.  The services are
> >>> deployed as systemd units.  This is very much similar to the current
> >>> state of devstack at the moment (minus the virtualenv part, afaik).
> >>> It makes it pretty straight forward to go and edit code if you
> >>> need/have to.  We also have support for Debian, CentOS, Ubuntu and
> >>> SUSE.  This allows "devstack 2.0" to have far more coverage and make
> >>> it much more easy to deploy on a wider variety of operating systems.
> >>> It also has the ability to use commits checked out from Zuul so all
> >>> the fancy Depends-On stuff we use works.
> >>>
> >>> # Why do we care about this, I like my bash scripts!
> >>> As someone who's been around for a *really* long time in OpenStack,
> >>> I've seen a whole lot of really weird issues surface from the usage of
> >>> DevStack to do CI gating.  For example, one of the recent things is
> >>> the fact it relies on installing package-shipped noVNC, where as the
> >>> 'master' noVNC has actually changed behavior a few months back and it
> >>> is completely incompatible at this point (it's just a ticking thing
> >>> until we realize we're entirely broken).
> >>>
> >>> To this day, I still see people who want to POC something up with
> >>> OpenStack or *ACTUALLY* try to run OpenStack with DevStack.  No matter
> >>> how many warnings we'll put up, they'll always try to do it.  With
> >>> this way, at least they'll have something that has the shape of an
> >>> actual real deployment.  In addition, it would be *good* in the
> >>> overall scheme of things for a deployment system to test against,
> >>> because this would make sure things don't break in both ways.
> >>>
> >>> Also: we run Zuul for our CI which supports Ansible natively, this can
> >>> remove one layer of indirection (Zuul to run Bash) and have Zuul run
> >>> the playbooks directly from the executor.
> >>>
> >>> # So how could we do this?
> >>> The OpenStack Ansible project is made of many roles that are all
> >>> composable, therefore, you can think of it as a combination of both
> >>> Puppet-OpenStack and TripleO (back then).  Puppet-OpenStack contained
> >>> the base modules (i.e. puppet-nova, etc) and TripleO was the
> >>> integration of all of it in a distribution.  OSA is currently both,
> >>> but it also includes both Ansible roles and playbooks.
> >>>
> >>> In order to make sure we maintain as much of backwards compatibility
> >>> as possible, we can simply run a small script which does a mapping of
> >>> devstack => OSA variables to make sure that the service is shipped
> >>> with all the necessary features as per local.conf.
> >>>
> >>> So the new process could be:
> >>>
> >>> 1) parse local.conf and generate Ansible variables files
> >>> 2) install Ansible (if not running in gate)
> >>> 3) run playbooks using variable generated in #1
> >>>
> >>> The neat thing is after all of this, devstack just becomes a thin
> >>> wrapper around Ansible roles.  I also think it brings a lot of hands
> >>> together, involving both the QA team and OSA team together, which I
> >>> believe that pooling our resources will greatly help in being able to
> >>> get more done and avoiding duplicating our efforts.
> >>>
> >>> # Conclusion
> >>> This is a start of a very open ended discussion, I'm sure there is a
> >>> lot of details involved here in the implementation that will surface,
> >>> but I think it could be a good step overall in simplifying our CI and
> >>> adding more coverage for real potential deployers.  It will help two
> >>> teams unite together and have more resources for something (that
> >>> essentially is somewhat of duplicated effort at the moment).
> >>>
> >>> I will try to pick up sometime to POC a simple service being deployed
> >>> by an OSA role instead of Bash, placement which seems like a very
> >>> simple one and share that eventually.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts? :)
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mohammed Naser — vexxhost
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> >>>
> >>
> >> —
> >> Slawek Kaplonski
> >> Senior software engineer
> >> Red Hat
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mohammed Naser — vexxhost
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > D. 514-316-8872
> > D. 800-910-1726 ext. 200
> > E. mnaser at vexxhost.com
> > W. http://vexxhost.com
>
> —
> Slawek Kaplonski
> Senior software engineer
> Red Hat
>


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