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 ---- On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 07:33:52 +0900 Jeremy Stanley <fungi at yuggoth.org> wrote ---- 
 > On 2019-01-14 14:12:39 -0800 (-0800), Kendall Nelson wrote: 
 > > Hello :) 
 > >  
 > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 12:30 PM Jeremy Stanley <fungi at yuggoth.org> wrote: 
 > >  
 > > > On 2019-01-14 14:16:51 -0600 (-0600), Sean McGinnis wrote: 
 > > > [...] 
 > > > > I could see having something where to be an eligible 
 > > > > candidate, one would either need to be a current or a past 
 > > > > PTL. There's definitely value in bringing that experience and 
 > > > > perspective to the TC. 
 > > > [...] 
 > > > 
 > > > In principle, our charter doesn't even require candidates for TC 
 > > > seats be recognized contributors to any project, only that they 
 > > > be OSF individual members in good standing. In practice, the 
 > > > most common way people get the visibility required to be elected 
 > > > to the TC is to have already held another leadership role in the 
 > > > community, frequently by serving as a PTL. 
 > >  
 > > There are many other leadership positions that we would exclude if 
 > > we started restricting TC candidates to only current/past PTLs. 
 > > SIG Chairs (formerly WG leads) for example. 
 > >  
 > > Some sort of leadership role prior to running is important, I 
 > > agree. But we would never have had people like Colleen Murphy or 
 > > Chris Dent who were and are, respectively, excellent members of 
 > > the TC. 
 >  
 > Absolutely. I happen to think that the representatives we've had on 
 > the TC who weren't previously PTLs have provided valuable insight. 
 >  
 > > > While I haven't actually done the math, I would wager more than 
 > > > half the people ever elected to the TC have also been PTLs at 
 > > > some point, so I personally have doubts that making it a policy 
 > > > would actually change anything. 
 > [...] 
 >  
 > And here I was more responding to Chris's original question, "what 
 > would it be like if we required half or more of the TC be elected 
 > from PTLs?" What I meant to say is that I believe half or more of 
 > the TC are already (and have always been) elected from current and 
 > prior PTLs, so mandating that wouldn't change anything for the 
 > better. 
 >  
 > Certainly if Sean's follow-up suggestion of requiring *all* TC 
 > candidates to have PTL experience were entertained, it would exclude 
 > the sorts of valuable contributions we've had from notable non-PTL 
 > members on the TC and I think that would be a significant loss. 

There is no doubt that having Leadership experience for TC candidates are
much valuable but IMO PTL is not the only way to judge the leadership
experience, it can be corporate experience, other past/current open source
leadership or even from core member role also. There are many core members who are
an excellent leader and leading certain area of the big project since long time. Nova, Neutron
are good example where the project is divided into sub-teams and sub-leaders.  

As PTL, you need to do sort of management activity and not all core want to serve as PTL but
they are a good leader and best fit for TC. 

-gmann

 > --  
 > Jeremy Stanley 
 >