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Would like to see some updates on the foundation's official wechat group up
:)

On the other note, I would like to point out that this email is merely
asking who would be interested. The question about "dividing teams" and
such is addressed in https://review.openstack.org/602697 .


On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:57 AM Lance Bragstad <lbragstad at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 1:42 PM Mohammed Naser <mnaser at vexxhost.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On that note, is there any way to get an 'invite' onto those channels?
>>
>> Any information about the foundation side of things about the
>> 'official' channels?
>>
>
> I actually have a question about this as well. During the TC discussion
> last Friday there was representation from the Foundation in the room. I
> though I remember someone (annabelleB?) saying there were known issues
> (technical or otherwise) regarding the official channels spun up by the
> Foundation.
>
> Does anyone know what issues were being referred to here?
>
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mohammed
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 3:28 PM Samuel Cassiba <samuel at cassi.ba> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 6:58 AM Sylvain Bauza <sylvain.bauza at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 15:32, Jeremy Stanley <fungi at yuggoth.org> a
>> écrit :
>> > >>
>> > >> On 2018-09-16 14:14:41 +0200 (+0200), Jean-philippe Evrard wrote:
>> > >> [...]
>> > >> > - What is the problem joining Wechat will solve (keeping in mind
>> the
>> > >> > language barrier)?
>> > >>
>> > >> As I understand it, the suggestion is that mere presence of project
>> > >> leadership in venues where this emerging subset of our community
>> > >> gathers would provide a strong signal that we support them and care
>> > >> about their experience with the software.
>> > >>
>> > >> > - Isn't this problem already solved for other languages with
>> > >> > existing initiatives like local ambassadors and i18n team? Why
>> > >> > aren't these relevant?
>> > >> [...]
>> > >>
>> > >> It seems like there are at least couple of factors at play here:
>> > >> first the significant number of users and contributors within
>> > >> mainland China compared to other regions (analysis suggests there
>> > >> were nearly as many contributors to the Rocky release from China as
>> > >> the USA), but second there may be facets of Chinese culture which
>> > >> make this sort of demonstrative presence a much stronger signal than
>> > >> it would be in other cultures.
>> > >>
>> > >> > - Pardon my ignorance here, what is the problem with email? (I
>> > >> > understand some chat systems might be blocked, I thought emails
>> > >> > would be fine, and the lowest common denominator).
>> > >>
>> > >> Someone in the TC room (forgive me, I don't recall who now, maybe
>> > >> Rico?) asserted that Chinese contributors generally only read the
>> > >> first message in any given thread (perhaps just looking for possible
>> > >> announcements?) and that if they _do_ attempt to read through some
>> > >> of the longer threads they don't participate in them because the
>> > >> discussion is presumed to be over and decisions final by the time
>> > >> they "reach the end" (I guess not realizing that it's perfectly fine
>> > >> to reply to a month-old discussion and try to help alter course on
>> > >> things if you have an actual concern?).
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > While I understand the technical issues that could be due using IRC
>> in China, I still don't get why opening the gates and saying WeChat being
>> yet another official channel would prevent our community from fragmenting.
>> > >
>> > > Truly the usage of IRC is certainly questionable, but if we have
>> multiple ways to discuss, I just doubt we could prevent us to silo
>> ourselves between our personal usages.
>> > > Either we consider the new channels as being only for southbound
>> communication, or we envisage the possibility, as a community, to migrate
>> from IRC to elsewhere (I'm particulary not fan of the latter so I would
>> challenge this but I can understand the reasons)
>> > >
>> > > -Sylvain
>> > >
>> >
>> > Objectively, I don't see a way to endorse something other than IRC
>> > without some form of collective presence on more than just Wechat to
>> > keep the message intact. IRC is the official messaging platform, for
>> > whatever that's worth these days. However, at present, it makes less
>> > and less sense to explicitly eschew other outlets in favor. From a
>> > Chef OpenStack perspective, the common medium is, perhaps not
>> > unsurprising, code review. Everything else evolved over time to be
>> > southbound paths to the code, including most of the conversation
>> > taking place there as opposed to IRC.
>> >
>> > The continuation of this thread only confirms that there is already
>> > fragmentation in the community, and that people on each side of the
>> > void genuinely want to close that gap. At this point, the thing to do
>> > is prevent further fragmentation of the intent. It is, however, far
>> > easier to bikeshed over which platform of choice.
>> >
>> > At present, it seems a collective presence is forming ad hoc,
>> > regardless of any such resolution. With some additional coordination
>> > and planning, I think that there could be something that could scale
>> > beyond one or two outlets.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Samuel
>> >
>> >
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