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Thierry Carrez wrote:
> Joshua Harlow wrote:
>> Thierry Carrez wrote:
>>> The PTG has always been about taking the team discussions that happened
>>> at the Ops Summit / Design Summit to have them in a more productive
>>> environment.
>> I am just going to say it but can we *please* stop distinguishing
>> between ops and devs (a ops summit, like why); the fact that these
>> emails even continue to have the word op or dev or ops communicate with
>> devs and then devs go do something that may work (hint this kind of
>> feedback loop is wrong) for ops pisses me off. The world has moved
>> beyond this kind of separation and openstack needs to as well... IMHO
>> projects that still rely on this kind of interaction are dead in the
>> water. If you aren't as a developer at least trying to operate even a
>> small openstack cloud (even a personal one) then you really shouldn't be
>> continuing as a developer in openstack...
>
> I totally agree with you. Did you read my email until the end ? See:
>
>>> [...]
>>> Oh, and in the above paragraphs, I'm not distinguishing "devs" from
>>> "ops". This applies to all teams, to any contributor engaged in making
>>> OpenStack a reality. Having the Public Cloud WG team meet at the PTG was
>>> great, and we should definitely have ANY OpenStack team wanting to meet
>>> and get things done at future PTGs.
> My mention above of "Ops Summit" / "Design Summit" was pointing to the
> old names of the events, which "Forum" and "PTG" were specifically
> designed to replace, avoiding the unnecessary split.
>

Ya, my mention was more of just the whole continued mention in this 
whole mailing list around ops and devs and the separation and ... not 
just really this email (or its thread); it's a common theme around here 
that IMHO needs to die in a fire.