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On 20/06/18 12:38, HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob) wrote:
> The Tacker team is dependent on tosca-parser and heat-translator but 
> they are not the only consumers.
> 
> I agree the structure is odd, and Sahdev has more of the history than I do.

History lesson:

At the time (2014) OpenStack was organised into 'Programs', that could 
contain multiple projects. It seemed to make sense to bring 
heat-translator into the Orchestration Program. It had its own PTL 
(Sahdev) and its own core team (although Heat cores from the time still 
have +2 rights on it), and operated essentially independently.

There were discussions about eventually combining it with heatclient or 
even Heat itself once it was mature, but that hasn't come up in quite a 
while and there are no resources available to work on it now anyway.

When we scrapped 'Programs', it just got converted to a deliverable of 
the Heat project, instead of its own separate project. In practice, 
however, nothing actually changed and it kept its own (technically 
unofficial, I think) PTL and operated independently. That's the source 
of the weirdness.

Since then the number of core reviewers has dropped considerably and 
people have difficulty getting patches in and releases made. Most of the 
people bugging me about that have been from Tacker, hence the suggestion 
to move the project over there: since they are the biggest users they 
could help maintain it.

> In the past the requests from the Tacker team have come to Sahdev/me and 
> we have created
> releases as needed.  For some reason this time a request went to the 
> Heat ML, in addition to
> a separate request to me directly.
> 
> I'm open to changes in the structure but I don't think Tacker is the 
> right place to put the
> deliverables.

What would you suggest?

cheers,
Zane.

> Bob
> 
> On 6/20/2018 11:31 AM, Rico Lin wrote:
>> To continue the discussion in 
>> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131681.html
>>
>> Add Tacker and heat-translator to make sure all aware this discussion
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:28 AM Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com 
>> <mailto:doug at doughellmann.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2018-06-20 12:07:49 -0400:
>>     > On 20/06/18 11:40, Rico Lin wrote:
>>     > > I send a release patch now
>>     https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576895/
>>     > > Also, add Bob Haddleton to this ML who is considering as PTL for
>>     > > heat-translator team
>>     >
>>     > Is it time to consider moving the heat-translator and
>>     tosca-parser repos
>>     > from being deliverables of Heat to deliverables of Tacker? The
>>     current
>>     > weird structure dates from the days of the experiment with
>>     OpenStack
>>     > 'Programs' (vs. Projects).
>>     >
>>     > Heat cores don't really have time to be engaging with
>>     heat-translator,
>>     > and Tacker is clearly the major user and the thing that keeps
>>     getting
>>     > blocked on needing patches merged and releases made.
>>
>>     It sounds like it. I had no idea there was any reason to look to
>>     anyone
>>     other than the Heat PTL or liaison for approval of that release. A WIP
>>     on the patch would have been OK, too, but if the Tacker team is really
>>     the one responsible we should update the repo governance.
>>
>>     Doug
>>
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