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On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Emilien Macchi <emilien at redhat.com> wrote:
> Here's an update so we can hopefully, as a community, take a decision
> in the next days or so.
>
>
> * Migration to StoryBoard
>
> Champion: Kendall Nelson
> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513875/
> Some projects already migrated, some projects will migrate soon but
> there is still a gap of things that prevents some projects to not
> migrate.
> See https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/search?tags=blocking-storyboard-migration
> For that reason, we are postponing this goal to later but work needs
> to keep going to make that happen one day.
>
>
> * Remove mox
>
> Champion: Sean McGinnis (unless someone else steps up)
> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532361/
> This goal is to clean some technical debt in the code.
> It remains a good candidate for Queens.
>
>
> * Ensure pagination links
>
> Champion: Monty Taylor
> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532627/
> This one would improve API users experience.
> It remains a good candidate for Queens.
>
>
> * Enable mutable configuration
> Champion: ChangBo Guo
> Nothing was proposed in governance so far and we have enough proposals
> now, I guess it could be a candidate for a future cycle though. This
> one would make happy our operators.
>
>
> * Cold upgrades capabilities
> Champion: Masayuki Igawa
> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533544/
> This one would be appreciated by our operators who always need
> improvements on upgrades experience - I believe it would be a good
> candidate.
>
>
> Note: some projects requested about having less goals so they have
> more time to work on their backlogs. While I agree with that, I would
> like to know who asked exactly, and if they would be affected by the
> goals or not.
> It will help us to decide which ones we take.
>
> So now, it's really a good time to speak-up and say if:
> - your project could commit to 2 of these goals or not (and why? backlog? etc)
> - which ones you couldn't commit to
> - the ones you prefer
>
Looking the current contributor base and momentum on Glance, I'd say
we would fail to catch up with most of these. I think we've got rid of
mox already and I'm not exactly sure how the mutable config goal
aligns with the Glance's ability to reload configs in flight, so those
two might be doable, based on the amount of bikeshedding needed for
any API related change I'd say the pagination link would probably be
least likely done before Unicorn release.

- Jokke

> We need to take a decision as a community, not just TC members, so
> please bring feedback.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:19 PM, Lance Bragstad <lbragstad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 01/12/2018 11:09 AM, Tim Bell wrote:
>>> I was reading a tweet from Jean-Daniel and wondering if there would be an appropriate community goal regarding support of some of the later API versions or whether this would be more of a per-project goal.
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/pilgrimstack/status/951860289141641217
>>>
>>> Interesting numbers about customers tools used to talk to our @OpenStack APIs and the Keystone v3 compatibility:
>>> - 10% are not KeystoneV3 compatible
>>> - 16% are compatible
>>> - for the rest, the tools documentation has no info
>>>
>>> I think Keystone V3 and Glance V2 are the ones with APIs which have moved on significantly from the initial implementations and not all projects have been keeping up.
>> Yeah, I'm super interested in this, too. I'll be honest I'm not quite
>> sure where to start. If the tools are open source we can start
>> contributing to them directly.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Emilien Macchi <emilien at redhat.com>
>>> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org>
>>> Date: Friday, 12 January 2018 at 16:51
>>> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List <openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Community Goals for Rocky
>>>
>>>     Here's a quick update before the weekend:
>>>
>>>     2 goals were proposed to governance:
>>>
>>>     Remove mox
>>>     https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532361/
>>>     Champion: Sean McGinnis (unless someone else steps up)
>>>
>>>     Ensure pagination links
>>>     https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532627/
>>>     Champion: Monty Taylor
>>>
>>>     2 more goals are about to be proposed:
>>>
>>>     Enable mutable configuration
>>>     Champion: ChangBo Guo
>>>
>>>     Cold upgrades capabilities
>>>     Champion: Masayuki Igawa
>>>
>>>
>>>     Thanks everyone for your participation,
>>>     We hope to make a vote within the next 2 weeks so we can prepare the
>>>     PTG accordingly.
>>>
>>>     On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 10:37 AM, Emilien Macchi <emilien at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>     > As promised, let's continue the discussion and move things forward.
>>>     >
>>>     > This morning Thierry brought the discussion during the TC office hour
>>>     > (that I couldn't attend due to timezone):
>>>     > http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/latest.log.html#t2018-01-09T09:18:33
>>>     >
>>>     > Some outputs:
>>>     >
>>>     > - One goal has been proposed so far.
>>>     >
>>>     > Right now, we only have one goal proposal: Storyboard Migration. There
>>>     > are some concerns about the ability to achieve this goal in 6 months.
>>>     > At that point, we think it would be great to postpone the goal to S
>>>     > cycle, continue the progress (kudos to Kendall) and fine other goals
>>>     > for Rocky.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > - We still have a good backlog of goals, we're just missing champions.
>>>     >
>>>     > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/community-goals
>>>     >
>>>     > Chris brought up "pagination links in collection resources" in api-wg
>>>     > guidelines theme. He said in the past this goal was more a "should"
>>>     > than a "must".
>>>     > Thierry mentioned privsep migration (done in Nova and Zun). (action,
>>>     > ping mikal about it).
>>>     > Thierry also brought up the version discovery (proposed by Monty).
>>>     > Flavio proposed mutable configuration, which might be very useful for operators.
>>>     > He also mentioned that IPv6 support goal shouldn't be that far from
>>>     > done, but we're currently lacking in CI jobs that test IPv6
>>>     > deployments (question for infra/QA, can we maybe document the gap so
>>>     > we can run some gate jobs on ipv6 ?)
>>>     > (personal note on that one, since TripleO & Puppet OpenStack CI
>>>     > already have IPv6 jobs, we can indeed be confident that it shouldn't
>>>     > be that hard to complete this goal in 6 months, I guess the work needs
>>>     > to happen in the projects layouts).
>>>     > Another interesting goal proposed by Thierry, also useful for
>>>     > operators, is to move more projects to assert:supports-upgrade tag.
>>>     > Thierry said we are probably not that far from this goal, but the
>>>     > major lack is in testing.
>>>     > Finally, another "simple" goal is to remove mox/mox3 (Flavio said most
>>>     > of projects don't use it anymore already).
>>>     >
>>>     > With that said, let's continue the discussion on these goals, see
>>>     > which ones can be actionable and find champions.
>>>     >
>>>     > - Flavio asked how would it be perceived if one cycle wouldn't have at
>>>     > least one community goal.
>>>     >
>>>     > Thierry said we could introduce multi-cycle goals (Storyboard might be
>>>     > a good candidate).
>>>     > Chris and Thierry thought that it would be a bad sign for our
>>>     > community to not have community goals during a cycle, "loss of
>>>     > momentum" eventually.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Thanks for reading so far,
>>>     >
>>>     > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Emilien Macchi <emilien at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>     >> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Emilien Macchi <emilien at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>     >> [...]
>>>     >>> Suggestions are welcome:
>>>     >>> - on the mailing-list, in a new thread per goal [all] [tc] Proposing
>>>     >>> goal XYZ for Rocky
>>>     >>> - on Gerrit in openstack/governance like Kendall did.
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Just a fresh reminder about Rocky goals.
>>>     >> A few questions that we can ask ourselves:
>>>     >>
>>>     >> 1) What common challenges do we have?
>>>     >>
>>>     >> e.g. Some projects don't have mutable configuration or some projects
>>>     >> aren't tested against IPv6 clouds, etc.
>>>     >>
>>>     >> 2) Who is willing to drive a community goal (a.k.a. Champion)?
>>>     >>
>>>     >> note: a Champion is someone who volunteer to drive the goal, but
>>>     >> doesn't commit to write the code necessarily. The Champion will
>>>     >> communicate with projects PTLs about the goal, and make the liaison if
>>>     >> needed.
>>>     >>
>>>     >> The list of ideas for Community Goals is documented here:
>>>     >> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/community-goals
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Please be involved and propose some ideas, I'm sure our community has
>>>     >> some common goals, right ? :-)
>>>     >> Thanks, and happy holidays. I'll follow-up in January of next year.
>>>     >> --
>>>     >> Emilien Macchi
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > --
>>>     > Emilien Macchi
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