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A heads up that the Translators are now listed at the bottom of the page 
as well, along with the rest of the paper contributors:

https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center?lang=ja_JP

Cheers!
Jimmy

Frank Kloeker wrote:
> Hi Jimmy,
>
> thanks for announcement. Great stuff! It looks really great and it's 
> easy to navigate. I think a special thanks goes to Sebastian for 
> designing the pages. One small remark: have you tried text-align: 
> justify? I think it would be a little bit more readable, like a 
> science paper (German word is: Ordnung)
> I put the projects again on the frontpage of the translation platform, 
> so we'll get more translations shortly.
>
> kind regards
>
> Frank
>
> Am 2018-08-02 21:07, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>> The Edge and Containers translations are now live.  As new
>> translations become available, we will add them to the page.
>>
>> https://www.openstack.org/containers/
>> https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/
>>
>> Note that the Chinese translation has not been added to Zanata at this
>> time, so I've left the PDF download up on that page.
>>
>> Thanks everyone and please let me know if you have questions or 
>> concerns!
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Jimmy
>>
>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>> Frank,
>>>
>>> We expect to have these papers up this afternoon. I'll update this 
>>> thread when we do.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>> Hi Sebastian,
>>>>
>>>> okay, it's translated now. In Edge whitepaper is the problem with 
>>>> XML-Parsing of the term AT&T. Don't know how to escape this. Maybe 
>>>> you will see the warning during import too.
>>>>
>>>> kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>> Am 2018-07-30 20:09, schrieb Sebastian Marcet:
>>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>>> i was double checking pot file and realized that original pot missed
>>>>> some parts of the original paper (subsections of the paper) 
>>>>> apologizes
>>>>> on that
>>>>> i just re uploaded an updated pot file with missing subsections
>>>>>
>>>>> regards
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Frank Kloeker <eumel at arcor.de> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> from the GUI I'll get this link:
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/edge-computing/pot-translation/de/po?docId=cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center 
>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> paper version  are only in container whitepaper:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/leveraging-containers-openstack/paper/de/po?docId=leveraging-containers-and-openstack 
>>>>>
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In general there is no group named papers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kind regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 2018-07-30 17:06, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We're getting a 404 when looking for the pot file on the Zanata API:
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/papers/papers/de/po?docId=edge-computing 
>>>>>
>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a result, we can't pull the po files.  Any idea what might be
>>>>>> happening?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seeing the same thing with both papers...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Korean and German version are now done on the new format. Can you
>>>>>> check publishing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 2018-07-19 16:47, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Follow up on the Edge paper specifically:
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/pot-translation/documents?dswid=-3192 
>>>>>
>>>>>> [4] This is now available. As I mentioned on IRC this morning, it
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> be VERY close to the PDF.  Probably just needs a quick review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if I can assist with anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you to i18n team for all of your help!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>>>> Ian raises some great points :) I'll try to address below...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian Y. Choi wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I saw overall translation source strings on container
>>>>>> whitepaper, I would infer that new edge computing whitepaper
>>>>>> source strings would include HTML markup tags.
>>>>>> One of the things I discussed with Ian and Frank in Vancouver is
>>>>>> the expense of recreating PDFs with new translations.  It's
>>>>>> prohibitively expensive for the Foundation as it requires design
>>>>>> resources which we just don't have.  As a result, we created the
>>>>>> Containers whitepaper in HTML, so that it could be easily updated
>>>>>> w/o working with outside design contractors.  I indicated that we
>>>>>> would also be moving the Edge paper to HTML so that we could prevent
>>>>>> that additional design resource cost.
>>>>>> On the other hand, the source strings of edge computing whitepaper
>>>>>> which I18n team previously translated do not include HTML markup
>>>>>> tags, since the source strings are based on just text format.
>>>>>> The version that Akihiro put together was based on the Edge PDF,
>>>>>> which we unfortunately didn't have the resources to implement in the
>>>>>> same format.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really appreciate Akihiro's work on RST-based support on
>>>>>> publishing translated edge computing whitepapers, since
>>>>>> translators do not have to re-translate all the strings.
>>>>>> I would like to second this. It took a lot of initiative to work on
>>>>>> the RST-based translation.  At the moment, it's just not usable for
>>>>>> the reasons mentioned above.
>>>>>> On the other hand, it seems that I18n team needs to investigate on
>>>>>> translating similar strings of HTML-based edge computing whitepaper
>>>>>> source strings, which would discourage translators.
>>>>>> Can you expand on this? I'm not entirely clear on why the HTML
>>>>>> based translation is more difficult.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's my point of view on translating edge computing whitepaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For translating container whitepaper, I want to further ask the
>>>>>> followings since *I18n-based tools*
>>>>>> would mean for translators that translators can test and publish
>>>>>> translated whitepapers locally:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - How to build translated container whitepaper using original
>>>>>> Silverstripe-based repository?
>>>>>> https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html [5] describes
>>>>>> well how to build translated artifacts for RST-based OpenStack
>>>>>> repositories
>>>>>> but I could not find the way how to build translated container
>>>>>> whitepaper with translated resources on Zanata.
>>>>>> This is a little tricky.  It's possible to set up a local version
>>>>>> of the OpenStack website
>>>>>>
>>>>> (https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/blob/master/installation.md 
>>>>>
>>>>>> [6]).  However, we have to manually ingest the po files as they are
>>>>>> completed and then push them out to production, so that wouldn't do
>>>>>> much to help with your local build.  I'm open to suggestions on how
>>>>>> we can make this process easier for the i18n team.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With many thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Ian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote on 7/17/2018 11:01 PM:
>>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry to hear about the displeasure around the Edge paper.  As
>>>>>> mentioned in a prior thread, the RST format that Akihiro worked did
>>>>>> not work with the  Zanata process that we have been using with our
>>>>>> CMS.  Additionally, the existing EDGE page is a PDF, so we had to
>>>>>> build a new template to work with the new HTML whitepaper layout we
>>>>>> created for the Containers paper. I outlined this in the thread "
>>>>>> [OpenStack-I18n] [Edge-computing] [Openstack-sigs] Edge Computing
>>>>>> Whitepaper Translation" on 6/25/18 and mentioned we would be ready
>>>>>> with the template around 7/13.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We completed the work on the new whitepaper template and then put
>>>>>> out the pot files on Zanata so we can get the po language files
>>>>>> back. If this process is too cumbersome for the translation team,
>>>>>> I'm open to discussion, but right now our entire translation process
>>>>>> is based on the official OpenStack Docs translation process outlined
>>>>>> by the i18n team:
>>>>>> https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/en_GB/tools.html [7]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, I realize Akihiro put in some work on his own proposing the
>>>>>> new translation type. If the i18n team is moving to this format
>>>>>> instead, we can work on redoing our process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know if I can clarify further.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> permission was added for you and Sebastian. The Container Whitepaper
>>>>>> is on the Zanata frontpage now. But we removed Edge Computing
>>>>>> whitepaper last week because there is a kind of displeasure in the
>>>>>> team since the results of translation are still not published beside
>>>>>> Chinese version. It would be nice if we have a commitment from the
>>>>>> Foundation that results are published in a specific timeframe. This
>>>>>> includes your requirements until the translation should be
>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thx Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 2018-07-16 17:26, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>>> Sorry, I should have also added... we additionally need permissions
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> that we can add the a new version of the pot file to this project:
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/edge-computing/versions?dswid=-7835 
>>>>>
>>>>>> [8] Thanks!
>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have both of the current whitepapers up and available for
>>>>>> translation.  Can we promote these on the Zanata homepage?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/leveraging-containers-openstack?dswid=5684 
>>>>>
>>>>>> [9]
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents?dswid=5684 
>>>>>
>>>>>> [10] Thanks all!
>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> Links:
>>>>> ------
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/edge-computing/pot-translation/de/po?docId=cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center 
>>>>> [2]
>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/leveraging-containers-openstack/paper/de/po?docId=leveraging-containers-and-openstack 
>>>>> [3]
>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/papers/papers/de/po?docId=edge-computing 
>>>>> [4]
>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/pot-translation/documents?dswid=-3192 
>>>>> [5] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html
>>>>> [6] 
>>>>> https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/blob/master/installation.md 
>>>>> [7] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/en_GB/tools.html
>>>>> [8]
>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/edge-computing/versions?dswid=-7835 
>>>>> [9]
>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/leveraging-containers-openstack?dswid=5684 
>>>>> [10]
>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents?dswid=5684 
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