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Hi Jimmy,

thanks for announcement. Great stuff! It looks really great and it's 
easy to navigate. I think a special thanks goes to Sebastian for 
designing the pages. One small remark: have you tried text-align: 
justify? I think it would be a little bit more readable, like a science 
paper (German word is: Ordnung)
I put the projects again on the frontpage of the translation platform, 
so we'll get more translations shortly.

kind regards

Frank

Am 2018-08-02 21:07, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
> The Edge and Containers translations are now live.  As new
> translations become available, we will add them to the page.
> 
> https://www.openstack.org/containers/
> https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/
> 
> Note that the Chinese translation has not been added to Zanata at this
> time, so I've left the PDF download up on that page.
> 
> Thanks everyone and please let me know if you have questions or 
> concerns!
> 
> Cheers!
> Jimmy
> 
> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>> Frank,
>> 
>> We expect to have these papers up this afternoon. I'll update this 
>> thread when we do.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Jimmy
>> 
>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>> Hi Sebastian,
>>> 
>>> okay, it's translated now. In Edge whitepaper is the problem with 
>>> XML-Parsing of the term AT&T. Don't know how to escape this. Maybe 
>>> you will see the warning during import too.
>>> 
>>> kind regards
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> 
>>> Am 2018-07-30 20:09, schrieb Sebastian Marcet:
>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>> i was double checking pot file and realized that original pot missed
>>>> some parts of the original paper (subsections of the paper) 
>>>> apologizes
>>>> on that
>>>> i just re uploaded an updated pot file with missing subsections
>>>> 
>>>> regards
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Frank Kloeker <eumel at arcor.de> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> from the GUI I'll get this link:
>>>>> 
>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/edge-computing/pot-translation/de/po?docId=cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> 
>>>>> paper version  are only in container whitepaper:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/leveraging-containers-openstack/paper/de/po?docId=leveraging-containers-and-openstack
>>>>> [2]
>>>>> 
>>>>> In general there is no group named papers
>>>>> 
>>>>> kind regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> Frank
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 2018-07-30 17:06, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>> Frank,
>>>>> 
>>>>> We're getting a 404 when looking for the pot file on the Zanata 
>>>>> API:
>>>>> 
>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/papers/papers/de/po?docId=edge-computing
>>>>> [3]
>>>>> 
>>>>> As a result, we can't pull the po files.  Any idea what might be
>>>>> happening?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Seeing the same thing with both papers...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>> 
>>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Korean and German version are now done on the new format. Can you
>>>>> check publishing?
>>>>> 
>>>>> thx
>>>>> 
>>>>> Frank
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 2018-07-19 16:47, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>> 
>>>>> Follow up on the Edge paper specifically:
>>>>> 
>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/pot-translation/documents?dswid=-3192
>>>>> [4] This is now available. As I mentioned on IRC this morning, it
>>>>> should
>>>>> be VERY close to the PDF.  Probably just needs a quick review.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let me know if I can assist with anything.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you to i18n team for all of your help!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>>> Ian raises some great points :) I'll try to address below...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ian Y. Choi wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I saw overall translation source strings on container
>>>>> whitepaper, I would infer that new edge computing whitepaper
>>>>> source strings would include HTML markup tags.
>>>>> One of the things I discussed with Ian and Frank in Vancouver is
>>>>> the expense of recreating PDFs with new translations.  It's
>>>>> prohibitively expensive for the Foundation as it requires design
>>>>> resources which we just don't have.  As a result, we created the
>>>>> Containers whitepaper in HTML, so that it could be easily updated
>>>>> w/o working with outside design contractors.  I indicated that we
>>>>> would also be moving the Edge paper to HTML so that we could 
>>>>> prevent
>>>>> that additional design resource cost.
>>>>> On the other hand, the source strings of edge computing whitepaper
>>>>> which I18n team previously translated do not include HTML markup
>>>>> tags, since the source strings are based on just text format.
>>>>> The version that Akihiro put together was based on the Edge PDF,
>>>>> which we unfortunately didn't have the resources to implement in 
>>>>> the
>>>>> same format.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I really appreciate Akihiro's work on RST-based support on
>>>>> publishing translated edge computing whitepapers, since
>>>>> translators do not have to re-translate all the strings.
>>>>> I would like to second this. It took a lot of initiative to work on
>>>>> the RST-based translation.  At the moment, it's just not usable for
>>>>> the reasons mentioned above.
>>>>> On the other hand, it seems that I18n team needs to investigate on
>>>>> translating similar strings of HTML-based edge computing whitepaper
>>>>> source strings, which would discourage translators.
>>>>> Can you expand on this? I'm not entirely clear on why the HTML
>>>>> based translation is more difficult.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's my point of view on translating edge computing whitepaper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For translating container whitepaper, I want to further ask the
>>>>> followings since *I18n-based tools*
>>>>> would mean for translators that translators can test and publish
>>>>> translated whitepapers locally:
>>>>> 
>>>>> - How to build translated container whitepaper using original
>>>>> Silverstripe-based repository?
>>>>> https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html [5] describes
>>>>> well how to build translated artifacts for RST-based OpenStack
>>>>> repositories
>>>>> but I could not find the way how to build translated container
>>>>> whitepaper with translated resources on Zanata.
>>>>> This is a little tricky.  It's possible to set up a local version
>>>>> of the OpenStack website
>>>>> 
>>>> (https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/blob/master/installation.md
>>>>> [6]).  However, we have to manually ingest the po files as they are
>>>>> completed and then push them out to production, so that wouldn't do
>>>>> much to help with your local build.  I'm open to suggestions on how
>>>>> we can make this process easier for the i18n team.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>> 
>>>>> With many thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> /Ian
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote on 7/17/2018 11:01 PM:
>>>>> Frank,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm sorry to hear about the displeasure around the Edge paper.  As
>>>>> mentioned in a prior thread, the RST format that Akihiro worked did
>>>>> not work with the  Zanata process that we have been using with our
>>>>> CMS.  Additionally, the existing EDGE page is a PDF, so we had to
>>>>> build a new template to work with the new HTML whitepaper layout we
>>>>> created for the Containers paper. I outlined this in the thread "
>>>>> [OpenStack-I18n] [Edge-computing] [Openstack-sigs] Edge Computing
>>>>> Whitepaper Translation" on 6/25/18 and mentioned we would be ready
>>>>> with the template around 7/13.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We completed the work on the new whitepaper template and then put
>>>>> out the pot files on Zanata so we can get the po language files
>>>>> back. If this process is too cumbersome for the translation team,
>>>>> I'm open to discussion, but right now our entire translation 
>>>>> process
>>>>> is based on the official OpenStack Docs translation process 
>>>>> outlined
>>>>> by the i18n team:
>>>>> https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/en_GB/tools.html [7]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Again, I realize Akihiro put in some work on his own proposing the
>>>>> new translation type. If the i18n team is moving to this format
>>>>> instead, we can work on redoing our process.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please let me know if I can clarify further.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>> 
>>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> permission was added for you and Sebastian. The Container 
>>>>> Whitepaper
>>>>> is on the Zanata frontpage now. But we removed Edge Computing
>>>>> whitepaper last week because there is a kind of displeasure in the
>>>>> team since the results of translation are still not published 
>>>>> beside
>>>>> Chinese version. It would be nice if we have a commitment from the
>>>>> Foundation that results are published in a specific timeframe. This
>>>>> includes your requirements until the translation should be
>>>>> available.
>>>>> 
>>>>> thx Frank
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 2018-07-16 17:26, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>> Sorry, I should have also added... we additionally need permissions
>>>>> so
>>>>> that we can add the a new version of the pot file to this project:
>>>>> 
>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/edge-computing/versions?dswid=-7835
>>>>> [8] Thanks!
>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have both of the current whitepapers up and available for
>>>>> translation.  Can we promote these on the Zanata homepage?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/leveraging-containers-openstack?dswid=5684
>>>>> [9]
>>>>> 
>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents?dswid=5684
>>>>> [10] Thanks all!
>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>> Links:
>>>> ------
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/edge-computing/pot-translation/de/po?docId=cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center 
>>>> [2]
>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/leveraging-containers-openstack/paper/de/po?docId=leveraging-containers-and-openstack 
>>>> [3]
>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/papers/papers/de/po?docId=edge-computing 
>>>> [4]
>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/pot-translation/documents?dswid=-3192 
>>>> [5] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html
>>>> [6] 
>>>> https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/blob/master/installation.md 
>>>> [7] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/en_GB/tools.html
>>>> [8]
>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/edge-computing/versions?dswid=-7835 
>>>> [9]
>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/leveraging-containers-openstack?dswid=5684 
>>>> [10]
>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents?dswid=5684 
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