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Frank,

We expect to have these papers up this afternoon. I'll update this 
thread when we do.

Thanks!
Jimmy

Frank Kloeker wrote:
> Hi Sebastian,
>
> okay, it's translated now. In Edge whitepaper is the problem with 
> XML-Parsing of the term AT&T. Don't know how to escape this. Maybe you 
> will see the warning during import too.
>
> kind regards
>
> Frank
>
> Am 2018-07-30 20:09, schrieb Sebastian Marcet:
>> Hi Frank,
>> i was double checking pot file and realized that original pot missed
>> some parts of the original paper (subsections of the paper) apologizes
>> on that
>> i just re uploaded an updated pot file with missing subsections
>>
>> regards
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Frank Kloeker <eumel at arcor.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>
>>> from the GUI I'll get this link:
>>>
>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/edge-computing/pot-translation/de/po?docId=cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center 
>>
>>> [1]
>>>
>>> paper version  are only in container whitepaper:
>>>
>>>
>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/leveraging-containers-openstack/paper/de/po?docId=leveraging-containers-and-openstack 
>>
>>> [2]
>>>
>>> In general there is no group named papers
>>>
>>> kind regards
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> Am 2018-07-30 17:06, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>> Frank,
>>>
>>> We're getting a 404 when looking for the pot file on the Zanata API:
>>>
>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/papers/papers/de/po?docId=edge-computing 
>>
>>> [3]
>>>
>>> As a result, we can't pull the po files.  Any idea what might be
>>> happening?
>>>
>>> Seeing the same thing with both papers...
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>
>>> Korean and German version are now done on the new format. Can you
>>> check publishing?
>>>
>>> thx
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> Am 2018-07-19 16:47, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>> Hi all -
>>>
>>> Follow up on the Edge paper specifically:
>>>
>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/pot-translation/documents?dswid=-3192 
>>
>>> [4] This is now available. As I mentioned on IRC this morning, it
>>> should
>>> be VERY close to the PDF.  Probably just needs a quick review.
>>>
>>> Let me know if I can assist with anything.
>>>
>>> Thank you to i18n team for all of your help!!!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>> Ian raises some great points :) I'll try to address below...
>>>
>>> Ian Y. Choi wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> When I saw overall translation source strings on container
>>> whitepaper, I would infer that new edge computing whitepaper
>>> source strings would include HTML markup tags.
>>> One of the things I discussed with Ian and Frank in Vancouver is
>>> the expense of recreating PDFs with new translations.  It's
>>> prohibitively expensive for the Foundation as it requires design
>>> resources which we just don't have.  As a result, we created the
>>> Containers whitepaper in HTML, so that it could be easily updated
>>> w/o working with outside design contractors.  I indicated that we
>>> would also be moving the Edge paper to HTML so that we could prevent
>>> that additional design resource cost.
>>> On the other hand, the source strings of edge computing whitepaper
>>> which I18n team previously translated do not include HTML markup
>>> tags, since the source strings are based on just text format.
>>> The version that Akihiro put together was based on the Edge PDF,
>>> which we unfortunately didn't have the resources to implement in the
>>> same format.
>>>
>>> I really appreciate Akihiro's work on RST-based support on
>>> publishing translated edge computing whitepapers, since
>>> translators do not have to re-translate all the strings.
>>> I would like to second this. It took a lot of initiative to work on
>>> the RST-based translation.  At the moment, it's just not usable for
>>> the reasons mentioned above.
>>> On the other hand, it seems that I18n team needs to investigate on
>>> translating similar strings of HTML-based edge computing whitepaper
>>> source strings, which would discourage translators.
>>> Can you expand on this? I'm not entirely clear on why the HTML
>>> based translation is more difficult.
>>>
>>> That's my point of view on translating edge computing whitepaper.
>>>
>>> For translating container whitepaper, I want to further ask the
>>> followings since *I18n-based tools*
>>> would mean for translators that translators can test and publish
>>> translated whitepapers locally:
>>>
>>> - How to build translated container whitepaper using original
>>> Silverstripe-based repository?
>>> https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html [5] describes
>>> well how to build translated artifacts for RST-based OpenStack
>>> repositories
>>> but I could not find the way how to build translated container
>>> whitepaper with translated resources on Zanata.
>>> This is a little tricky.  It's possible to set up a local version
>>> of the OpenStack website
>>>
>> (https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/blob/master/installation.md 
>>
>>> [6]).  However, we have to manually ingest the po files as they are
>>> completed and then push them out to production, so that wouldn't do
>>> much to help with your local build.  I'm open to suggestions on how
>>> we can make this process easier for the i18n team.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>> With many thanks,
>>>
>>> /Ian
>>>
>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote on 7/17/2018 11:01 PM:
>>> Frank,
>>>
>>> I'm sorry to hear about the displeasure around the Edge paper.  As
>>> mentioned in a prior thread, the RST format that Akihiro worked did
>>> not work with the  Zanata process that we have been using with our
>>> CMS.  Additionally, the existing EDGE page is a PDF, so we had to
>>> build a new template to work with the new HTML whitepaper layout we
>>> created for the Containers paper. I outlined this in the thread "
>>> [OpenStack-I18n] [Edge-computing] [Openstack-sigs] Edge Computing
>>> Whitepaper Translation" on 6/25/18 and mentioned we would be ready
>>> with the template around 7/13.
>>>
>>> We completed the work on the new whitepaper template and then put
>>> out the pot files on Zanata so we can get the po language files
>>> back. If this process is too cumbersome for the translation team,
>>> I'm open to discussion, but right now our entire translation process
>>> is based on the official OpenStack Docs translation process outlined
>>> by the i18n team:
>>> https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/en_GB/tools.html [7]
>>>
>>> Again, I realize Akihiro put in some work on his own proposing the
>>> new translation type. If the i18n team is moving to this format
>>> instead, we can work on redoing our process.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if I can clarify further.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>
>>> permission was added for you and Sebastian. The Container Whitepaper
>>> is on the Zanata frontpage now. But we removed Edge Computing
>>> whitepaper last week because there is a kind of displeasure in the
>>> team since the results of translation are still not published beside
>>> Chinese version. It would be nice if we have a commitment from the
>>> Foundation that results are published in a specific timeframe. This
>>> includes your requirements until the translation should be
>>> available.
>>>
>>> thx Frank
>>>
>>> Am 2018-07-16 17:26, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>> Sorry, I should have also added... we additionally need permissions
>>> so
>>> that we can add the a new version of the pot file to this project:
>>>
>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/edge-computing/versions?dswid=-7835 
>>
>>> [8] Thanks!
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>> Hi all -
>>>
>>> We have both of the current whitepapers up and available for
>>> translation.  Can we promote these on the Zanata homepage?
>>>
>>>
>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/leveraging-containers-openstack?dswid=5684 
>>
>>> [9]
>>>
>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents?dswid=5684 
>>
>>> [10] Thanks all!
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>>
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>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1]
>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/edge-computing/pot-translation/de/po?docId=cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center 
>>
>> [2]
>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/leveraging-containers-openstack/paper/de/po?docId=leveraging-containers-and-openstack 
>>
>> [3]
>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/papers/papers/de/po?docId=edge-computing 
>>
>> [4]
>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/pot-translation/documents?dswid=-3192 
>>
>> [5] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html
>> [6] 
>> https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/blob/master/installation.md 
>>
>> [7] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/en_GB/tools.html
>> [8]
>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/edge-computing/versions?dswid=-7835 
>>
>> [9]
>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/leveraging-containers-openstack?dswid=5684 
>>
>> [10]
>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents?dswid=5684 
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