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A recent extreme example:
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494981/1/specs/version0.8/active_passive_loadbalancer.rst

I would love to have a boilerplate statement I can use as a template
for things like this.  I feel bad -1/-2 these as I want to encourage
involvement, but they are a drain on the system.

Michael


On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Zhipeng Huang <zhipengh512 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> Absolutely glad to help on this matter. We could take this offline first via
> email or irc chat and then comes up with a solution for the broader
> community to review
>
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:47 AM, Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Excerpts from Davanum Srinivas (dims)'s message of 2017-09-22 13:47:06
>> -0400:
>> > Doug,
>> > Howard (cc'ed) already did a bunch of reaching out especially on
>> > wechat. We should request his help.
>> >
>> > Howard,
>> > Can you please help with communications and follow up?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Dims
>>
>> Thanks, Dims and Howard,
>>
>> I think the problem has reached a point where it would be a good
>> idea to formalize our approach to outreach. We should track the
>> patches or patch series identified as problematic, so reviewers
>> know not to bother with them. We can also track who is contacting
>> whom (and how) so we don't have a bunch of people replicating work
>> or causing confusion for people who are trying to contribute. Having
>> that information will also help us figure out when we need to
>> escalate by finding the right managers to be talking to.
>>
>> Let's put together a small team to manage this instead of letting
>> it continue to cause frustration for everyone.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > Excerpts from Matt Riedemann's message of 2017-09-22 08:26:31 -0500:
>> > >> On 9/22/2017 7:10 AM, Tom Barron wrote:
>> > >> > FWIW I think it is better not to attribute motivation in these
>> > >> > cases.
>> > >> > Perhaps the code submitter is trying to pad stats, but perhaps they
>> > >> > are
>> > >> > just a new contributor trying to learn the process with a
>> > >> > "harmless"
>> > >> > patch, or just a compulsive clean-upper who hasn't thought through
>> > >> > the
>> > >> > costs in reviewer time and CI resources.
>> > >>
>> > >> I agree. However, the one that set me off last night was a person
>> > >> from
>> > >> one company who I've repeatedly -1ed the same types of patches in
>> > >> nova
>> > >> for weeks, including on stable branches, and within 10 minutes of
>> > >> each
>> > >> other across several repos, so it's clearly part of some daily
>> > >> routine.
>> > >> That's what prompted me to send something to the mailing list.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > As fungi points out, education and communication are likely to be
>> > > our best solution. Maybe one approach is to identify the companies
>> > > and individuals involved and find one of our community members to
>> > > contact them directly via email.  We would want the person doing
>> > > that to be willing to explain all of the reasons the community does
>> > > not want the sort of activity we are rejecting and to provide
>> > > guidance about more useful contributions (Matt's comment is a great
>> > > start on both). I imagine that conversation would take a good deal
>> > > of patience, especially after the second or third time, but a personal
>> > > touch frequently makes all the difference in these sorts of cases.
>> > >
>> > > If we have someone willing to step into that sort of role, I would
>> > > be happy to help craft the initial contact messages and advise as
>> > > needed.
>> > >
>> > > Does anyone want to volunteer to work with me and actually send the
>> > > emails?
>> > >
>> > > Doug
>> > >
>> > >
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