[openstack-dev] [skip-level-upgrades][fast-forward-upgrades] PTG summary
doug at doughellmann.com
Wed Sep 20 17:00:19 UTC 2017
Excerpts from Lee Yarwood's message of 2017-09-20 14:29:12 +0100:
> My thanks again to everyone who attended and contributed to the
> skip-level upgrades track over the first two days of last weeks PTG.
> I've included a short summary of our discussions below with a list of
> agreed actions for Queens at the end.
> tl;dr s/skip-level/fast-forward/g
> Monday - Define and rename
> During our first session  we briefly discussed the history of the
> skip-level upgrades effort within the community and the various
> misunderstandings that have arisen from previous conversations around
> this topic at past events.
> We agreed that at present the only way to perform upgrades between N and
> N+>=2 releases of OpenStack was to upgrade linearly through each major
> release, without skipping between the starting and target release of the
> This is contrary to previous discussions on the topic where it had been
> suggested that releases could be skipped if DB migrations for these
> releases were applied in bulk later in the process. As projects within
> the community currently offer no such support for this it was agreed to
> continue to use the supported N to N+1 upgrade jumps, albeit in a
> minimal, offline way.
> The name skip-level upgrades has had an obvious role to play in the
> confusion here and as such the renaming of this effort was discussed at
> length. Various suggestions are listed on the pad but for the time being
> I'm going to stick with the basic `fast-forward upgrades` name (FFOU,
> OFF, BOFF, FFUD etc were all close behind). This removes any notion of
> releases being skipped and should hopefully avoid any further confusion
> in the future.
> Support by the projects for offline upgrades was then discussed with a
> recent Ironic issue  highlighted as an example where projects have
> required services to run before the upgrade could be considered
> complete. The additional requirement of ensuring both workloads and the
> data plane remain active during the upgrade was also then discussed. It
> was agreed that both the `supports-upgrades`  and
> `supports-accessible-upgrades`  tags should be updated to reflect
> these requirements for fast-forward upgrades.
> Given the above it was agreed that this new definition of what
> fast-forward upgrades are and the best practices associated with them
> should be clearly documented somewhere. Various operators in the room
> highlighted that they would like to see a high level document outline
> the steps required to achieve this, hopefully written by someone with
> past experience of running this type of upgrade.
> I failed to capture the names of the individuals who were interested in
> helping out here. If anyone is interested in helping out here please
> feel free to add your name to the actions either at the end of this mail
> or at the bottom of the pad.
> In the afternoon we reviewed the current efforts within the community to
> implement fast-forward upgrades, covering TripleO, Charms (Juju) and
> openstack-ansible. While this was insightful to many in the room there
> didn't appear to be any obvious areas of collaboration outside of
> sharing best practice and defining the high level flow of a fast-forward
> Tuesday - NFV, SIG and actions
> Tuesday started with a discussion around NFV considerations with
> fast-forward upgrades. These ranged from the previously mentioned need
> for the data plane to remain active during the upgrade to the restricted
> nature of upgrades in NFV environments in terms of time and number of
> It was highlighted that there are some serious as yet unresolved bugs in
> Nova regarding the live migration of instances using SR-IOV devices.
> This currently makes the moving of workloads either prior to or during
> the upgrade particularly difficult.
> Rollbacks were also discussed and the need for any best practice
> documentation around fast-forward upgrades to include steps to allow the
> recovery of environments if things fail was also highlighted.
> We then revisited an idea from the first day of finding or creating a
> SIG for this effort to call home. It was highlighted that there was a
> suggestion in the packaging room to create a Deployment / Lifecycle SIG.
> After speaking with a few individuals later in the week I've taken the
> action to reach out on the openstack-sigs mailing list for further
> Finally, during a brief discussion on ways we could collaborate and share
> tooling for fast-forward upgrades a new tool to migrate configuration
> files between N to N+>=2 releases was introduced . While interesting
> it was seen as a more generic utility that could also be used between N
> to N+1 upgrades. AFAIK the authors joined the Oslo room shortly after
> this session ended to gain more feedback from that team.
> - Modify the `supports-upgrades` and `supports-accessible-upgrades` tags
> I have yet to look into the formal process around making changes to
> these tags but I will aim to make a start ASAP.
We've previously tried to avoid changing assert tag definitions because
we then have to re-review all of the projects that already have the tags
to ensure they meet the new criteria. It might be easier to add a new
tag for assert:supports-fast-forward-upgrades with the criteria that are
unique to this use case.
> - Find an Ops lead for the documentation effort
> I failed to take down the names of some of the operators who were
> talking this through at the time. If they or anyone else is still
> interested in helping here please let me know!
> - Find or create a relevant SIG for this effort
> As discussed above this could be as part of the lifecycle SIG or an
> independent upgrades SIG. Expect a separate mail to the SIG list
> regarding this shortly.
> - Identify a room chair for Sydney
> Unfortunately I will not be present in Sydney to lead a similar
> session. If anyone is interested in helping please feel free to respond
> here or reach out to me directly!
> My thanks again to everyone who attended the track, I had a blast
> leading the room and hope that the attendees found both the track and
> some of the outcomes listed above useful.
>  https://twitter.com/lyarwood_/status/907310970229415937
>  https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ironic-offline-migration
>  https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/assert_supports-upgrade.html
>  https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/assert_supports-accessible-upgrade.html
>  https://github.com/NguyenHoaiNam/Jump-Over-Release/blob/test_dynamic_section/README.md
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