[openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

Flavio Percoco flavio at redhat.com
Thu Jun 15 14:22:34 UTC 2017

On 15/06/17 10:48 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>Part of reducing OpenStack perceived complexity is to cull projects that
>have not delivered on their initial promises. Those are always difficult
>discussions, but we need to have them. In this email I'd like to discuss
>whether we should no longer consider Fuel an official OpenStack project,
>and turn it into a hosted (unofficial) project.
>Fuel originated at Mirantis as their OpenStack installer. It was
>proposed as an official OpenStack project in July 2015 and approved in
>November 2015. The promise at that time was that making it official
>would drive other organizations to participate in its development and
>turn it into the one generic OpenStack installer that everyone wanted.
>Fuel was not a small endeavor: in Mitaka and Newton it represented more
>commits than Nova.
>The Fuel team fully embraced open collaboration, but failed to attract
>other organizations. Mitaka and Newton were still 96% the work of
>Mirantis. In my view, while deployment/packaging tools sit at the
>periphery of the "OpenStack" map, they make sense as official OpenStack
>teams if they create an open collaboration playing field and attract
>multiple organizations. Otherwise they are just another opinionated
>install tool that happens to be blessed with an "official" label.
>Since October 2016, Fuel's activity has dropped, following the gradual
>disengagement of its main sponsor. Comparing activity in the 5 first
>months of the year, there was a 68% drop between 2016 and 2017, the
>largest of any official OpenStack project. The Fuel team hasn't met on
>IRC for the last 3 months. Activity dropped from ~990 commits/month (Apr
>2016, Aug 2016) to 52 commits in April 2017 and 25 commits in May 2017.
>And there are unsolved issues around licensing that have been lingering
>for the last 6 months.
>I think that, despite the efforts of the Fuel team, Fuel did not become
>what we hoped when we made it official: a universal installer that would
>be used across the board. It was worth a try, I'm happy that we tried,
>but I think it's time to stop considering it a part of "OpenStack"
>proper and make it a hosted project. It can of course continue its
>existence as an unofficial project hosted on OpenStack infrastructure.
>Thoughts ?

+1 to change Fuel* status


Flavio Percoco
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