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@Jeremy if you have not tried thelatest webex, then sharing your Havana time frame webex experience is not very useful. I think you would agree if Havana release had some issues it would not automatically mean that newton has them :-)
Serguei 

-----Original Message-----
From: Britt Houser (bhouser) 
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 6:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

I’ve attended two Kolla midcycles remotely everything Steve said here is true.  But, as long as your expectations are set accordingly, suboptimal is better than nothing at all. =)

Thx,
britt

On 2/19/17, 1:09 AM, "Steven Dake (stdake)" <stdake at cisco.com> wrote:

    Jeremy,
    
    Completely makes sense.  I believe the prior experience the foundation has had with remote participation probably won’t be much improved at the Pike PTG as there is no dedicated production staff and I’m not sure what type of teleconference hardware Michal is bringing to the PTG.  Not to mention the fact that the wireless services may be in a DOS state because of the number of attendees.
    
    Michal asked the foundation if remote participation was an option, and they stated it was.  Michal had then suggested to use zoom.us and promised remote participation, however, that didn’t get done until Friday.  Cisco isn’t donating the webex services in this case; I am as a community member and Kolla core.
    
    I have also found during Kolla midcycle events we have held since the founding of Kolla and prior to the PTG (which is the new midcycle) that every midcycle event with remote participation is not very optimal for participants for the litany of reasons you mention.
    
    Clearly in-person PTG participation is superior to the hacked-together telepresence we may have available at the PTG.  I do think whatever teleconference hardware Michal brings to summit is better than looking at the output of an Etherpad where all kinds of context is lost.
    
    For folks attending from their office remotely, don’t expect a great experience.  Face to face participation is always better as Jeremy has stated.
    
    Regards
    -steve
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jeremy Stanley <fungi at yuggoth.org>
    Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org>
    Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 5:11 PM
    To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org>
    Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation
    
        On 2017-02-18 15:46:19 +0000 (+0000), Steven Dake (stdake) wrote:
        [...]
        > In the past the foundation has been wary of enabling remote
        > participation.
        [...]
        
        Only wary because of prior experience: Cisco donated Webex service
        and dedicated remote production staff for us throughout the Havana
        design summit in Portland, OR. As one of the volunteers who agreed
        to monitor the local systems, I can say that it was a suboptimal
        solution at best. Supplied laptops acting as the "presenter"
        consoles crashed/hung repeatedly, slight instabilities in conference
        networking were a major impediment to streaming, omnidirectional
        microphones placed throughout the conference rooms still failed to
        pick up much of the conversation, and for those who did attempt to
        participate remotely we heard numerous complaints about how they
        couldn't follow heated discussions with dozens of participants in a
        room together.
        -- 
        Jeremy Stanley
        
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