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Jeremy,

Completely makes sense.  I believe the prior experience the foundation has had with remote participation probably won’t be much improved at the Pike PTG as there is no dedicated production staff and I’m not sure what type of teleconference hardware Michal is bringing to the PTG.  Not to mention the fact that the wireless services may be in a DOS state because of the number of attendees.

Michal asked the foundation if remote participation was an option, and they stated it was.  Michal had then suggested to use zoom.us and promised remote participation, however, that didn’t get done until Friday.  Cisco isn’t donating the webex services in this case; I am as a community member and Kolla core.

I have also found during Kolla midcycle events we have held since the founding of Kolla and prior to the PTG (which is the new midcycle) that every midcycle event with remote participation is not very optimal for participants for the litany of reasons you mention.

Clearly in-person PTG participation is superior to the hacked-together telepresence we may have available at the PTG.  I do think whatever teleconference hardware Michal brings to summit is better than looking at the output of an Etherpad where all kinds of context is lost.

For folks attending from their office remotely, don’t expect a great experience.  Face to face participation is always better as Jeremy has stated.

Regards
-steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Stanley <fungi at yuggoth.org>
Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org>
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 5:11 PM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

    On 2017-02-18 15:46:19 +0000 (+0000), Steven Dake (stdake) wrote:
    [...]
    > In the past the foundation has been wary of enabling remote
    > participation.
    [...]
    
    Only wary because of prior experience: Cisco donated Webex service
    and dedicated remote production staff for us throughout the Havana
    design summit in Portland, OR. As one of the volunteers who agreed
    to monitor the local systems, I can say that it was a suboptimal
    solution at best. Supplied laptops acting as the "presenter"
    consoles crashed/hung repeatedly, slight instabilities in conference
    networking were a major impediment to streaming, omnidirectional
    microphones placed throughout the conference rooms still failed to
    pick up much of the conversation, and for those who did attempt to
    participate remotely we heard numerous complaints about how they
    couldn't follow heated discussions with dozens of participants in a
    room together.
    -- 
    Jeremy Stanley
    
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