[openstack-dev] [tripleo] Fwd: TripleO mascot - how can I help your team?

Emilien Macchi emilien at redhat.com
Thu Feb 16 20:46:51 UTC 2017

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Dan Prince <dprince at redhat.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-02-16 at 19:54 +0000, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
>> On 2017-02-16 14:09:53 -0500 (-0500), Dan Prince wrote:
>> [...]
>> > This isn't about aligning anything. It is about artistic control.
>> > The
>> > foundation wants to have icons their way playing the "community
>> > card"
>> > to make those who had icons they like conform. It is clear you buy
>> > into
>> > this.
>> >
>> > Each team will have its own mascot anyway so does it really matter
>> > if
>> > there is some deviation in the mix? I think not. We have a mascot
>> > we
>> > like. It even fits the general requirements for OpenStack mascots
>> > so
>> > all we are arguing about here is artistic style really. I say let
>> > the
>> > developers have some leverage in this category... what is the harm
>> > really?
>> [...]
>> You're really reading far too much conspiracy into this. Keep in
>> mind that this was coming from the foundation's marketing team, and
>> while they've been very eager to interface with the community on
>> this effort they may have failed to some degree in explaining their
>> reasons (which as we all know leaves a vacuum where conspiracy
>> theories proliferate).
>> As I understand things there are some pages on the
>> foundation-controlled www.openstack.org site where they want to
>> refer to various projects/teams and having a set of icons
>> representing them was a desire of the designers for that site, to
>> make it more navigable and easier to digest. They place significant
>> importance on consistency and aesthetics, and while that doesn't
>> necessarily match my personal utilitarian nature I can at least
>> understand their position on the matter. Rather than just words or
>> meaningless symbols as icons they thought it would be compelling to
>> base those icons on mascots, but to maintain the aesthetic of the
>> site the specific renderings needed to follow some basic guidelines.
>> They could have picked mascots at random out of the aether to use
>> there, but instead wanted to solicit input from the teams whose work
>> these would represent so that they might have some additional
>> special meaning to the community at large.
>> As I said earlier in the thread, if you have existing art you like
>> then use that in your documentation, in the wiki, on team tee-shirts
>> you make, et cetera. The goal is not to take those away. This is a
>> simple need for the marketing team and foundation Web site designers
>> to have art they can use for their own purposes which meets their
>> relatively strict design aesthetics... and if that art is also
>> something the community wants to use, then all the better but it's
>> in no way mandatory. The foundation has no direct control over
>> community members' choices here, nor have they attempted to pretend
>> otherwise that I've seen.
> And there is that rub again. There is implied along with this pressure
> to adopt the new logo. If you don't you'll get a blank space as a sort
> of punishment for going your own way. As Monty said directly... they
> want conformance and cohesion over team identity.
> Read the initial replies on this thread. Almost every single person
> besides (Flavio and Monty) preferred to keep the original TripleO
> mascot. Same thing on the Ironic thread as far as I can tell (those
> devs almost all initially preferred the old mascot before they were
> talked out of it.). And then you wore them down. Keep asking the same
> question again and again and I guess over time people stop caring.
> Its all just silliness really. Why the foundation got involved in this
> mascot business to begin with and didn't just leave it to the
> individual projects.
> And again. Not a great time to be talking about any of this. My sense
> of urgency is largely based on the fact that Emilien sent out an
> official team stance on this. I wasn't part of that... so apologies for
> being late to this conversation.
> Dan

Dan, I'm sorry if you were offline during our last weekly meeting on Tuesday.
However, I don't feel that I took the decision on my own, and if I did
it (here or anywhere else in TripleO), please tell me right now
because it has never been my intent. Being a PTL is not always easy
and decisions have to be made, but I hope we can always make it as a

Because I like to think we live in a democracy where we take decisions
as a team, I propose to run this simple poll:

The question is simple: do you accept a logo change or not.

We'll let the poll open 2 weeks, making sure anyone can vote.

Thank you,
Emilien Macchi

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