[openstack-dev] [chef] Making the Kitchen Great Again: A Retrospective on OpenStack & Chef

Joshua Harlow harlowja at fastmail.com
Thu Feb 16 18:24:59 UTC 2017

Alex Schultz wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Ed Leafe<ed at leafe.com>  wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Doug Hellmann<doug at doughellmann.com>  wrote:
>>> When we signed off on the Big Tent changes we said competition
>>> between projects was desirable, and that deployers and contributors
>>> would make choices based on the work being done in those competing
>>> projects. Basically, the market would decide on the "optimal"
>>> solution. It's a hard message to hear, but that seems to be what
>>> is happening.
>> This.
>> We got much better at adding new things to OpenStack. We need to get better at letting go of old things.
>> -- Ed Leafe
> I agree that the market will dictate what continues to survive, but if
> you're not careful you may be speeding up the decline as the end user
> (deployer/operator/cloud consumer) will switch completely to something
> else because it becomes to difficult to continue to consume via what
> used to be there and no longer is.  I thought the whole point was to
> not have vendor lock-in.  Honestly I think the focus is too much on
> the development and not enough on the consumption of the development
> output.  What are the point of all these features if no one can
> actually consume them.

+1 to that.

I've been in the boat of development and consumption of it for my 
*whole* journey in openstack land and I can say the product as a whole 
seems 'underbaked' with regards to the way people consume the 
development output. It seems we have focused on how to do the dev. stuff 
nicely and a nice process there, but sort of forgotten about all that 
being quite useless if no one can consume them (without going through 
much pain or paying a vendor).

This has or has IMHO been a factor in why certain are companies (and the 
people they support) are exiting openstack and just going elsewhere.

I personally don't believe fixing this is 'let the market forces' figure 
it out for us (what a slow & horrible way to let this play out; I'd 
almost rather go pull my fingernails out). I do believe it will require 
making opinionated decisions which we have all never been very good at.

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