[openstack-dev] [designate] Status of the project

Brandon B. Jozsa bjozsa at jinkit.com
Fri Feb 10 19:40:57 UTC 2017

I’m just catching up with this thread, but I absolutely agree with Jay on documentation and just general messaging. This is not just a Designate issue at all though, this is an issue that many projects have. Well drafted specs, mission, scope, and general messaging are sometimes the bane of great ideas or projects. The more solid the documentation is, and to that point installation guides, the better people will understand the value of the project. Sure DNS isn’t the sexiest thing out there, but if you make it more secure and more stable as a service element…I think we’d all agree, that provides very high value.

If there’s a way that our teams can help, let us know (or reach out to me directly).


On February 9, 2017 at 9:35:55 PM, Jay Pipes (jaypipes at gmail.com<mailto:jaypipes at gmail.com>) wrote:

On 02/09/2017 02:19 PM, Hayes, Graham wrote:

> Where too now then?
> ===================
> Well, this is where I call out to people who actually use the project -
> don't
> jump ship and use something else because of the picture I have painted.
> We are
> a dedicated team, how cares about the project. We just need some help.
> I know there are large telcos who use Designate. I am sure there is tooling,
> or docs build up in these companies that could be very useful to the
> project.
> Nearly every commercial OpenStack distro has Designate. Some have had it
> since
> the beginning. Again, developers, docs, tooling, testers, anything and
> everything is welcome. We don't need a massive amount of resources - we
> are a
> small ish, stable, project.
> We need developers with upstream time allocated, and the budget to go to
> events
> like the PTG - for cross project work, and internal designate road map,
> these
> events form the core of how we work.
> We also need help from cross project teams - the work done by them is
> brilliant
> but it can be hard for smaller projects to consume. We have had a lot of
> progress since the `Leveller Playing Field`_ debate, but a lot of work is
> still optimised for the larger teams who get direct support, or well
> resourced
> teams who can dedicate people to the implementation of plugins / code.
> As someone I was talking to recently said - AWS is not winning public cloud
> because of commodity compute (that does help - a lot), but because of the
> added services that make using the cloud, well, cloud like. OpenStack
> needs to
> decide that either it is just compute, or if it wants the eco-system. [5]_
> Designate is far from alone in this.


Graham, thank you for the heartfelt post. I may not agree with all your
points, but I know you're coming from the right place and truly want to
see Designate (and OpenStack in general) succeed.

Your point about smaller projects finding it more difficult to "consume"
help from cross-project teams is an interesting one. When the big tent
was being discussed, I remember the TC specifically discussing a change
for cross-project team focus: moving from a "we do this work for you"
role to a "we help you do this work for yourself" role. You're correct
that the increase in OpenStack projects meant that the cross-project
teams simply would not be able to continue to be a service to other
teams. This was definitely predicted during the big tent discussions.

If I had one piece of advice to give Designate, it would be to
prioritize getting documentation (both installation as well as dev-ref
and operational docs) in good shape. I know writing docs sucks, but docs
are a springboard for users and contributors alike and can have a
multiplying effect that's difficult to overstate. Getting those install
and developer docs started would enable the cross-project docs team to
guide Designate contributors in enhancing and cleaning up the docs and
putting some polish on 'em. Your idea above that maybe some users
already wrote some docs is a good one. Maybe reach out personally to
those telcos and see if they can dig something up that can be the basis
for upstream docs.


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