[openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support
Mathias Ewald
mewald at evoila.de
Tue Sep 20 14:25:28 UTC 2016
Option 2
2016-09-20 16:07 GMT+02:00 Steven Dake (stdake) <stdake at cisco.com>:
> Consider this a reversal of my vote for Debian deprecation.
>
> Swapnil, thanks for bringing this fact to our attention. It was missing
> from the original vote. I don’t know why I didn’t bring up Benedikt’s
> contributions (which were substantial) just as Paul’s were substantial for
> Oracle Linux. I guess the project is too busy for me to keep all the
> context in my brain. The fact that there is no debian gate really is
> orthogonal to the discussion in my mind. With this action we would be
> turning away a contributor who has made real contributions, and send the
> signal his work doesn’t matter or fit in with the project plans.
>
> This is totally the wrong message to send. Further others might interpret
> such an act as a “we don’t care about anyone’s contributions” which is not
> the culture we have cultivated since origination of the project. We have
> built a culture of “you build it, we will accept it once it passes
> review”. We want to hold on to that – it’s a really good thing for Kolla.
> There have been rumblings in this thread and on irc of the expanding
> support matrix and our (lack) of dealing with it appropriately. I think
> there are other ways to solve that problem without a policy hammer.
>
> I added the fedora work originally along with others who have since moved
> on to other projects. I personally have been unsuccessful at maintaining
> it, because of the change to DNF (And PTL is a 100% time commitment without
> a whole lot of time for implementation work). That said Fedora moves too
> fast for me personally to commit to maintenance there – so my vote there
> remains unchanged.
>
> Regards
> -steve
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/20/16, 2:34 AM, "Paul Bourke" <paul.bourke at oracle.com> wrote:
>
> If it's the case Benedict or noone else is interested in continuing
> Debian, I can reverse my vote. Though it seems I'll be outvoted anyway
> ;)
>
> On 20/09/16 10:21, Swapnil Kulkarni wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Paul Bourke <paul.bourke at oracle.com>
> wrote:
> >> -1 for deprecating Debian.
> >>
> >> As I mentioned in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369183/, Debian
> support
> >> was added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer as recently as June. So
> it's
> >> reasonable to believe there is at least one active user of Debian.
> >>
> >> I would like to try get some input from him on whether he's still
> using it
> >> and would be interested in helping maintain by adding gates etc.
> >>
> >> On 19/09/16 18:44, Jeffrey Zhang wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Kolla core reviewer team,
> >>>
> >>> Kolla supports multiple Linux distros now, including
> >>>
> >>> * Ubuntu
> >>> * CentOS
> >>> * RHEL
> >>> * Fedora
> >>> * Debian
> >>> * OracleLinux
> >>>
> >>> But only Ubuntu, CentOS, and OracleLinux are widely used and we
> have
> >>> robust gate to ensure the quality.
> >>>
> >>> For Debian, Kolla hasn't any test for it and nobody reports any bug
> >>> about it( i.e. nobody use Debian as base distro image). We (kolla
> >>> team) also do not have enough resources to support so many Linux
> >>> distros. I prefer to deprecate Debian support now.
> >>>
> >>> Please vote:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Kolla needs support Debian( if so, we need some guys to set up
> the
> >>> gate and fix all the issues ASAP in O cycle)
> >>> 2. Kolla should deprecate Debian support
> >>>
> >>> Voting is open for 7 days until September 27st, 2016.
> >>>
> >>
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> > +1 for #2
> >
> > I agree with reasoning from Paul, though Debian support was being
> > added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer but it has been stopped in
> > middle and all patches in the queue were abandoned [1]
> >
> > [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/build-debian,n,z
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