[openstack-dev] [all] Embracing new languages in OpenStack

Davanum Srinivas davanum at gmail.com
Thu Nov 10 18:08:48 UTC 2016


Please see below:

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Pete Zaitcev <zaitcev at redhat.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 11:14:32 +0000 (GMT)
> Chris Dent <cdent+os at anticdent.org> wrote:
>> The conversations about additional languages in this community have
>> been one our most alarmingly regressive and patronizing. They seem
>> to be bred out of fear rather than hope and out of lack of faith in
>> each other than in trust. We've got people who want to build stuff.
>> Isn't that the important part?
> I dunno, it seems fine to discuss. I'm disappointed that TC voted Golang
> down on August 2, but I can see where they come from.
> The problem we're grappling with on the Swift side is (in my view) mainly
> that the Go reimplementation provides essential performance advantages
> which manifest at a certain scale (around 100 PB with current technology).
> For this reason, ignoring Hummingbird and prohibiting Go is not going to
> suppress them. As the operators deploy Hummingbird in preference to the
> Python implementation, the focus of the development is going to migrate,
> and the end result is going to be an effective exile of a founding
> project from the OpenStack.
> (Even if happens, it's probably not a big deal. Just look how well Ceph
> is doing, community-wise. Operators aren't crying bloody tears either,
> do they?)
> The conflict is that since re-writing e.g. Newtron in Go does not confer
> the same performance advantage (AFAIK -- your VLANs aren't going to set
> up and tear down 80 times faster), the disruption isn't worth the trouble
> for the majority of OpenStack projects. This is why TC voted us down.
> And the talk about the community is mostly there to heal psychologically.

Please read the long comment from Doug Hellmann: (time stamp Aug 2 5:01 PM)

> So, it wasn't "regressive" or "patronizing", just business. See how Flavio
> outlined specific steps in a constructive manner.
> I'm quite glad that Ash wants to do something about CI. And I'm going
> to look into fully supporting existing configurations. Maybe share it with
> Designate and thus create something like a proto-"oslo.go.config".
> Of course we need to have some code to share first.
> -- Pete
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