[openstack-dev] [all] Embracing new languages in OpenStack

Chris Dent cdent+os at anticdent.org
Thu Nov 10 15:54:39 UTC 2016

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016, Clint Byrum wrote:
> Excerpts from Chris Dent's message of 2016-11-09 11:14:32 +0000:
>> Let's just get on with making stuff and work out the problems (and of
>> course there will be many, there always are) as they happen. That's
>> what we do.
> Apologies for the stretched analogy. What you're suggesting is that we go
> build without building codes and without a city plan, because there's a
> market force that we must capture. But when we let the tenants move in
> (the operators) and the other tenants sewers back up and their roads
> are backed up with traffic, we'll just deal with that later. I don't
> think that's fair to anyone.

Sorry, I think you are extrapolating _far_ too much from what I've
said. I've not said we should have no plan, no process, anarchy,
cats and dogs living together[1]. I've said we should work out the
problems as we go.

The current process to create a plan (nevermind actually following
it) is weighted (to me) too far in the direction of trying to be
prepared for as much as possible. That's a recipe for getting it
wrong; because we are humans who can't see the future.

> I don't think we have to have a PERFECT plan, but we need to _acknowledge_
> that this is the price of diversity and expansion. I personally think
> it's worth it, but let's own the chaos and at least start with a rough
> hypothesis of how each new language might effect the overall system, and
> a plan to measure and react quickly.

Yes, let's talk about it and acknowledge it. There will be a price
of diversity and expansaion, yes. I'm very happy to hear that you
agree it is worth it. I'm also happy to hear you acknowledge that
it will be chaotic.

However -- to push the current thread further into the extreme than it
actually is, to make a point -- we don't need to reimplement oslo in
every candidate language before we actually build and distribute
something useful with real users in whatever that language might be.
We've got to have some faith in ourselves as developers, users and
operators that we have the capacity to adapt and learn for sake of new
stuff that is good.

[1] This is in fact a world I might want to live in, I like cats and
dogs and dood, anarchy now, please. But I wouldn't presume to impose
that here.

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