[openstack-dev] [all][tc] Languages vs. Scope of "OpenStack"

Dean Troyer dtroyer at gmail.com
Fri May 20 13:45:08 UTC 2016

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 8:16 AM, Chris Dent <cdent+os at anticdent.org> wrote:

> I don't think language does (or should) have anything to do with it.


Language is what finally forced this discussion (as a prerequisite), now
that we're here, lets finish the prerequisite before going back to what got
us here.

> The question is whether or not the tool (whether service or
> dependent library) is useful to and usable outside the openstack-stack.
> For example gnocchi is useful to openstack but you can use it with other
> stuff, therefore _not_ openstack. More controversially: swift can be
> usefully used all by its lonesome: _not_ openstack.

Heh, projects usually see this as a positive.

Not being in OpenStack (where "in" means "of the product") is good
> for OpenStack, good for the project and good for opensource in general:

[excellent list of project attributes removed]

I would really hope these could also apply to OpenStack projects, and
understand why they usually don't.  In or out of the tent, those attributes
have at least one strong common thread, the ability to say no when
necessary and follow a specific path.  Self-discipline.  In or out of the
tent, projects without that disintegrate eventually.  I'm posting that list
on the clubhouse wall.

Since we are, by definition in the mission statement, all things to all
people, we got really inclusive in the last year or two.  The pendulum does
appear to be swinging the other way however, somewhat due to the costs of
scale.  Maybe entry into the tent should come with a ticket price to help
defray some of those costs?  Not just direct $$$ (corporate foundation
membership), but dedicated X hours per cycle for documentation or Y hours
for Infra or Z core/time units of cloud resources.  Wait, we do something
like that already?  Maybe its time for a cost-of-living adjustment...



Dean Troyer
dtroyer at gmail.com
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