[openstack-dev] [tc] supporting Go

Dmitry Tantsur dtantsur at redhat.com
Thu May 19 11:08:05 UTC 2016

On 05/19/2016 12:58 PM, Robert Collins wrote:
> On 19 May 2016 at 22:40, Dmitry Tantsur <dtantsur at redhat.com> wrote:
>> ....
>>> You are correct that my position is subjective, but it is based on my
>>> experiences trying to operate and deploy OpenStack in addition to
>>> writing code. The draw of Go, in my experience, has been easily
>>> deploying a single binary I've been able to build and test consistently.
>>> The target system has doesn't require Go installed at all and it works
>>> on old distros. And it has been much faster.
>> .. this is something distributions would never do or encourage. Ask zigo for
>> reasons :)
> Distros are having a hard time at the moment :) - much of their
> /obvious/ value is no longer sought: for instance compile time is
> cheap enough that folk are rebuilding distros just to check that the
> binaries are actually from the same sources!
> Further, the historical squashing of all dependencies into one version
> becomes increasing fragile as dependency chains get larger: the
> probability of a bug preventing a library being updated (best case -
> caught by CI) or breaking something without warning (typical case,
> little-to-no-CI of transitive reverse deps) goes up, not down. This is
> one of the major reasons folks doing operations often bypass distro
> packages (or roll their own isolated set with known-good
> dependencies).
> The idea of trusted-collections-of-packages made a lot more sense
> before this explosion of software we have now, much of which is high
> quality, and moving much much faster than distro release
> cycles.Canonical/Ubuntu has at least partly got its head around this
> with their focus for the last while on a vibrant app store ecosystem -
> one where shipping a single binary with vendored, static dependencies
> is actually viable.
> So yeah, some distros are getting there, bit by bit :)

It's already an off-topic, but I don't believe in this model personally. 
Especially since how many times such models appeared already without 
apparent instant success. But let us see :)

> -Rob
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