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What about maintaining a dummy plugin (eg running only one or two very
simple tasks) as a standalone project for the purpose of QA?
IMO it would make more sense than having those example plugins in the
fuel-plugins project...
Regards,
Simon

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Igor Kalnitsky <ikalnitsky at mirantis.com>
wrote:

> > and really lowering barriers for people who just begin create plugins.
>
> Nonsense. First, people usually create them via running `fpb --create
> plugin-name` that generates plugin boilerplate. And that boilerplate
> won't contain that changes.
>
> Second, if people ain't smart enough to change few lines in
> `metadata.yaml` of generated boilerplate to make it work with latest
> Fuel, maybe it's better for them to do not develop plugins at all?
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Stanislaw Bogatkin
> <sbogatkin at mirantis.com> wrote:
> > +1 to maintain example plugins. It is easy enough and really lowering
> > barriers for people who just begin create plugins.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Matthew Mosesohn <mmosesohn at mirantis.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Igor,
> >>
> >> It seems you are proposing an IKEA approach to plugins. Take Fuel's
> >> example plugin, add in the current Fuel release, and then build it. We
> >> maintained these plugins in the past, but now it should a manual step
> >> to test it out on the current release.
> >>
> >> What would be a more ideal situation that meets the needs of users and
> >> QA? Right now we have failed tests until we can decide on a solution
> >> that works for everybody.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Igor Kalnitsky <ikalnitsky at mirantis.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > No, this is a wrong road to go.
> >> >
> >> > What if in Fuel 10 we drop v1 plugins support? What should we do?
> >> > Remove v1 example from source tree? That doesn't seem good to me.
> >> >
> >> > Example plugins are only examples. The list of supported releases must
> >> > be maintained on system test side, and system tests must inject that
> >> > information into plugin's metadata.yaml and test it.
> >> >
> >> > Again, I don't say we shouldn't test plugins. I say, tests should be
> >> > responsible for preparing plugins. I can say even more: tests should
> >> > not rely on what is produced by plugins, since it's something that
> >> > could be changed and tests start failing.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 7:54 PM, Swann Croiset <scroiset at mirantis.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> IMHO it is important to keep plugin examples and keep testing them,
> >> >> very
> >> >> valuable for plugin developers.
> >> >>
> >> >> For example, I've encountered [0] the case where "plugin as role"
> >> >> feature
> >> >> wasn't easily testable with fuel-qa because not compliant with the
> last
> >> >> plugin data structure,
> >> >> and more recently we've spotted a regression [1] with
> "vip-reservation"
> >> >> feature introduced by a change in nailgun.
> >> >> These kind of issues are time consuming for plugin developers and
> >> >> can/must
> >> >> be avoided by testing them.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't even understand why the question is raised while fuel plugins
> >> >> are
> >> >> supposed to be supported and more and more used [3], even by murano
> [4]
> >> >> ...
> >> >>
> >> >> [0] https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1543962
> >> >> [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1551320
> >> >> [3]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085636.html
> >> >> [4] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286310/
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Matthew Mosesohn
> >> >> <mmosesohn at mirantis.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hi Fuelers,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I would like to bring your attention a dilemma we have here. It
> seems
> >> >>> that there is a dispute as to whether we should maintain the
> releases
> >> >>> list for example plugins[0]. In this case, this is for adding
> version
> >> >>> 9.0 to the list.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Right now, we run a swarm test that tries to install the example
> >> >>> plugin and do a deployment, but it's failing only for this reason. I
> >> >>> should add that this is the only automated daily test that will
> verify
> >> >>> that our plugin framework actually works. During the Mitaka
> >> >>> development  cycle, we already had an extended period where plugins
> >> >>> were broken[1]. Removing this test (or leaving it permanently red,
> >> >>> which is effectively the same), would raise the risk to any member
> of
> >> >>> the Fuel community who depends on plugins actually working.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The other impact of abandoning maintenance of example plugins is
> that
> >> >>> it means that a given interested Fuel Plugin developer would not be
> >> >>> able to easily get started with plugin development. It might not be
> >> >>> inherently obvious to add the current Fuel release to the
> >> >>> metadata.yaml file and it would likely discourage such a user. In
> this
> >> >>> case, I would propose that we remove example plugins from
> fuel-plugins
> >> >>> GIT repo if they are not maintained. Non-functioning code is worse
> >> >>> than deleted code in my opinion.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Please share your opinions and let's decide which way to go with
> this
> >> >>> bug[2]
> >> >>>
> >> >>> [0] https://github.com/openstack/fuel-plugins/tree/master/examples
> >> >>> [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1544505
> >> >>> [2] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1548340
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Best Regards,
> >> >>> Matthew Mosesohn
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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