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Given the inconsistency between the user survey and the apparent utilization/maintenance, I’d recommend checking on the openstack-operators list to see if this would be a major issue.

Tim

On 08/07/16 13:54, "Amrith Kumar" <amrith at tesora.com> wrote:

Did not realize that; I withdraw my request. You are correct; 12 months+ is fair warning.

-amrith

P.S. I volunteered (in Ann Arbor) to work with you and contribute to nova-docker but I guess that's now moot; it'd have been fun :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Davanum Srinivas [mailto:davanum at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:32 AM
> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
> <openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][nova-docker] Retiring nova-docker
> project
> 
> Amrith,
> 
> A year and few months is sufficient notice:
> http://markmail.org/message/geijiljch4yxfcvq
> 
> I really really want this to go away. Every time this comes up,
> example it came up in Austin too, a few people raise their hands and
> then do not show up. (Not saying you will do the same!).
> 
> -- Dims
> 
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Amrith Kumar <amrith at tesora.com> wrote:
> > Does it make sense that this conversation about the merits of nova-
> docker be had before the retirement is actually initiated. It seems odd
> that in the face of empirical evidence of actual use (user survey) we
> merely hypothesize that people are likely using their own forks and
> therefore it is fine to retire this project.
> >
> > As ttx indicates there is nothing wrong with a project with low
> activity. That said, if the issue is that nova-docker is not actively
> maintained and broken, then what it needs is contributors not retirement.
> >
> > -amrith
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Daniel P. Berrange [mailto:berrange at redhat.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 5:03 AM
> >> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
> >> <openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][nova-docker] Retiring nova-docker
> >> project
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 10:11:59AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> >> > Matt Riedemann wrote:
> >> > > [...]
> >> > > Expand the numbers to 6 months and you'll see only 13 commits.
> >> > >
> >> > > It's surprisingly high in the user survey (page 39):
> >> > >
> >> > > https://www.openstack.org/assets/survey/April-2016-User-Survey-
> >> Report.pdf
> >> > >
> >> > > So I suspect most users/deployments are just running their own
> forks.
> >> >
> >> > Why ? Is it completely unusable as it stands ? 13 commits in 6 months
> >> sounds
> >> > like enough activity to keep something usable (if it was usable in
> the
> >> first
> >> > place). We have a lot of (official) projects and libraries with less
> >> > activity than that :)
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure we should be retiring an unofficial project if it's
> usable,
> >> > doesn't have critical security issues and is used by a number of
> >> people...
> >> > Now, if it's unusable and abandoned, that's another story.
> >>
> >> Nova explicitly provides *zero* stable APIs for out of tree drivers to
> >> use. Changes to Nova internals will reliably break out of tree drivers
> >> at least once during a development cycle, often more. So you really do
> >> need someone committed to updating out of tree drivers to cope with the
> >> fact that they're using an explicitly unstable API. We actively intend
> >> to keep breaking out of tree drivers as often as suits Nova's best
> >> interests.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Daniel
> >> --
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> manager.org
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> >>
> >>
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