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On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Assaf Muller <amuller at redhat.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Gal Sagie <gal.sagie at gmail.com> wrote:
>> As i have commented on the patch i will also send this to the mailing list:
>>
>> I really dont see why Dragonflow is not part of this list, given the
>> criteria you listed.
>>
>> Dragonflow is fully developed under Neutron/OpenStack, no other
>> repositories. It is fully Open source and already have a community of people
>> contributing and interest from various different companies and OpenStack
>> deployers. (I can prepare the list of active contributions and of interested
>> parties) It also puts OpenStack Neutron APIs and use cases as first class
>> citizens and working on being an integral part of OpenStack.
>>
>> I agree that OVN needs to be part of the list, but you brought up this
>> criteria in regards to ODL, so: OVN like ODL is not only Neutron and
>> OpenStack and is even running/being implemented on a whole different
>> governance model and requirements to it.
>>
>> I think you also forgot to mention some other projects as well that are
>> fully open source with a vibrant and diverse community, i will let them
>> comment here by themselves.
>>
>> Frankly this approach disappoints me, I have honestly worked hard to make
>> Dragonflow fully visible and add and support open discussion and follow the
>> correct guidelines to work in a project. I think that Dragonflow community
>> has already few members from various companies and this is only going to
>> grow in the near future. (in addition to deployers that are considering it
>> as a solution)  we also welcome anyone that wants to join and be part of the
>> process to step in, we are very welcoming
>>
>> I also think that the correct way to do this is to actually add as reviewers
>> all lieutenants of the projects you are now removing from Neutron big
>> stadium and letting them comment.
>>
>> Gal.
>
> I understand you see 'Dragonflow being part of the Neutron stadium'
> and 'Dragonflow having high visibility' as tied together. I'm curious,
> from a practical perspective, how does being a part of the stadium
> give Dragonflow visibility? If it were not a part of the stadium and
> you had your own PTL etc, what specifically would change so that
> Dragonflow would be less visible. Currently I don't understand why
> being a part of the stadium is good or bad for a networking project,
> or why does it matter. Looking at Russell's patch, it's concerned with
> placing projects (e.g. ODL, OVN, Dragonflow) either in or out of the
> stadium and the criteria for doing so, I'm just asking how do you
> (Gal) perceive the practical effect of that decision.

Allow me to expand:
It seems to me like there is no significance to who is 'in or out'.
However, people, including potential customers, look at the list of
the Neutron stadium and deduce that project X is better than Y because
X is in but Y is out, and *that* in itself is the value of being in or
out, even though it has no meaning. Maybe we should explain what
exactly does it mean being in or out. It's just a governance decision,
it doesn't reflect in any way of the quality or appeal of a project
(For example some of the open source Neutron drivers out of the
stadium are much more mature, stable and feature full than other
drivers in the stadium).

>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Russell Bryant <rbryant at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/30/2015 07:56 PM, Armando M. wrote:
>>> > I would like to suggest that we evolve the structure of the Neutron
>>> > governance, so that most of the deliverables that are now part of the
>>> > Neutron stadium become standalone projects that are entirely
>>> > self-governed (they have their own core/release teams, etc).
>>>
>>> After thinking over the discussion in this thread for a while, I have
>>> started the following proposal to implement the stadium renovation that
>>> Armando originally proposed in this thread.
>>>
>>> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275888
>>>
>>> --
>>> Russell Bryant
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards ,
>>
>> The G.
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