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Hello, Jay,

> The Telco vCPE and Mobile "Edge cloud" (hint: not a cloud) use cases 

Do you mean Mobile Edge Computing for Mobile "Edge cloud"? If so, it's cloud. The introduction slides [1]  can help you to learn the use cases quickly, there are lots of material in ETSI website[2].

[1] http://www.etsi.org/images/files/technologies/MEC_Introduction_slides__SDN_World_Congress_15-10-14.pdf
[2] http://www.etsi.org/technologies-clusters/technologies/mobile-edge-computing

And when we talk about massively distributed cloud, vCPE is only one of the scenarios( now in argue - ing ), but we can't forget that there are other scenarios like  vCDN, vEPC, vIMS, MEC, IoT etc. Architecture level discussion is still necessary to see if current design and new proposals can fulfill the demands. If there are lots of proposals, it's good to compare the pros. and cons, and which scenarios the proposal work, which scenario the proposal can't work very well. 

( Hope this reply in the thread :) )

Best Regards
Chaoyi Huang(joehuang)
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From: Jay Pipes [jaypipes at gmail.com]
Sent: 29 August 2016 18:48
To: openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][massively distributed][architecture]Coordination between actions/WGs

On 08/27/2016 11:16 AM, HU, BIN wrote:
> The challenge in OpenStack is how to enable the innovation built on top of OpenStack.

No, that's not the challenge for OpenStack.

That's like saying the challenge for gasoline is how to enable the
innovation of a jet engine.

> So telco use cases is not only the innovation built on top of OpenStack. Instead, telco use cases, e.g. Gluon (NFV networking), vCPE Cloud, Mobile Cloud, Mobile Edge Cloud, brings the needed requirement for innovation in OpenStack itself. If OpenStack don't address those basic requirements,

That's the thing, Bin, those are *not* "basic" requirements. The Telco
vCPE and Mobile "Edge cloud" (hint: not a cloud) use cases are asking
for fundamental architectural and design changes to the foundational
components of OpenStack. Instead of Nova being designed to manage a
bunch of hardware in a relatively close location (i.e. a datacenter or
multiple datacenters), vCPE is asking for Nova to transform itself into
a micro-agent that can be run on an Apple Watch and do things in
resource-constrained environments that it was never built to do.

And, honestly, I have no idea what Gluon is trying to do. Ian sent me
some information a while ago on it. I read it. I still have no idea what
Gluon is trying to accomplish other than essentially bypassing Neutron
entirely. That's not "innovation". That's subterfuge.

> the innovation will never happen on top of OpenStack.

Sure it will. AT&T and BT and other Telcos just need to write their own
software that runs their proprietary vCPE software distribution
mechanism, that's all. The OpenStack community shouldn't be relied upon
to create software that isn't applicable to general cloud computing and
cloud management platforms.

> An example is - self-driving car is built on top of many technologies, such as sensor/camera, AI, maps, middleware etc. All innovations in each technology (sensor/camera, AI, map, etc.) bring together the innovation of self-driving car.

Yes, indeed, but the people who created the self-driving car software
didn't ask the people who created the cameras to write the software for
them that does the self-driving.

> WE NEED INNOVATION IN OPENSTACK in order to enable the innovation built on top of OpenStack.

You are defining "innovation" in an odd way, IMHO. "Innovation" for the
vCPE use case sounds a whole lot like "rearchitect your entire software
stack so that we don't have to write much code that runs on set-top boxes."

Just being honest,
-jay

> Thanks
> Bin
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> On Aug 27, 2016, at 12:18 PM, HU, BIN <bh526r at att.com> wrote:
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>>> From telco perspective, those are the areas that allow innovation, and provide telco customers with new types of services.
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>> We need innovation, starting from not limiting ourselves from bringing new idea and new use cases, and bringing those impossibility to reality.
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> There is innovation in OpenStack, and there is innovation in things built on top of OpenStack. We are simply trying to keep the two layers from getting confused.
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