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On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Jim Meyer <jim at geekdaily.org> wrote:

> On Sep 11, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Shamail Tahir <itzshamail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Joshua Harlow <harlowja at outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was reading over the TC IRC logs for this week (my weekly reading) and
>> I just wanted to let my thoughts and comments be known on:
>>
>>
>> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-309
>>
>> I feel it's very important to send a positive note for new/upcoming
>> projects and libraries... (and for everyone to remember that most projects
>> do start off with a small set of backers). So I just wanted to try to
>> ensure that we send a positive note with any tag like this that gets
>> created and applied and that we all (especially the TC) really really
>> considers the negative connotations of applying that tag to a project (it
>> may effectively ~kill~ that project).
>>
>> I would really appreciate that instead of just applying this tag (or
>> other similarly named tag to projects) that instead the TC try to actually
>> help out projects with those potential tags in the first place (say perhaps
>> by actively listing projects that may need more contributors from a variety
>> of companies on the openstack blog under say a 'HELP WANTED' page or
>> something). I'd much rather have that vs. any said tags, because the latter
>> actually tries to help projects, vs just stamping them with a 'you are bad,
>> figure out how to fix yourself, because you are not diverse' tag.
>>
>> I believe it is the TC job (in part) to help make the community better,
>> and not via tags like this that IMHO actually make it worse; I really hope
>> that folks on the TC can look back at their own projects they may have
>> created and ask how would their own project have turned out if they were
>> stamped with a similar tag…
>
>
> First, strongly agree:
>
> *Tags should be positive attributes or encouragement, not negative or
> discouraging. *I think they should also be as objectively true as
> possible. Which Monty Taylor said later[1] in the discussion and Jay Pipes
> reiterated[2].
>
> I agree with Josh and, furthermore, maybe a similar "warning" could be
> implicitly made by helping the community understand why the
> "diverse-affiliation" tag matters.  If we (through education on tags in
> general) stated that the reason diverse-affiliation matters, amongst other
> things, is because it shows that the project can potentially survive a
> single contributor changing their involvement then wouldn't that achieve
> the same purpose of showing stability/mindshare/collaboration for projects
> with diverse-affiliation tag (versus those that don't have it) and make
> them more "preferred" in a sense?
>
>
> I think I agree with others, most notably Doug Hellman[3] in the TC
> discussion; we need a marker of the other end of the spectrum. The absence
> of information is only significant if you know what’s missing and it’s
> importance.
>
> Separately, I agree that more education around tags and their importance
> is needed.
>
> I understand the concern is that we want to highlight the need for
> diversity, and I believe that instead of “danger-not-diverse” we’d be
> better served by “increase-diversity” or “needs-diversity” as the other end
> of the spectrum from “diverse-affiliation.” And I’ll go rant on the review
> now[4]. =]
>

Thank you for actually providing a review of the patch. I will respond to
the feedback in gerrit.



>
> —j
>
> [1]
> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-378
> [2]
> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-422
> [3]
> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-330
> [4] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218725/
>
>
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