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2015-11-27 19:49 GMT+08:00 Daniel P. Berrange <berrange at redhat.com>:

> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 07:37:50PM +0800, 少合冯 wrote:
> > 2015-11-27 2:19 GMT+08:00 Daniel P. Berrange <berrange at redhat.com>:
> >
> > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 05:39:04PM +0000, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 11:55:31PM +0800, 少合冯 wrote:
> > > > > 3.  dynamically choose when to activate xbzrle compress for live
> > > migration.
> > > > >      This is the best.
> > > > >      xbzrle really wants to be used if the network is not able to
> keep
> > > up
> > > > > with the dirtying rate of the guest RAM.
> > > > >      But how do I check the coming migration fit this situation？
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, if we decide we want compression support in Nova, I think that
> > > > having the Nova libvirt driver dynamically decide when to use it is
> > > > the only viable approach. Unfortunately the way the QEMU support
> > > > is implemented makes it very hard to use, as QEMU forces you to
> decide
> > > > to use it upfront, at a time when you don't have any useful
> information
> > > > on which to make the decision :-(  To be useful IMHO, we really need
> > > > the ability to turn on compression on the fly for an existing active
> > > > migration process. ie, we'd start migration off and let it run and
> > > > only enable compression if we encounter problems with completion.
> > > > Sadly we can't do this with QEMU as it stands today :-(
> > > >
> > >
> > [Shaohe Feng]
> > Add more guys working on kernel/hypervisor in our loop.
> > Wonder whether there will be any good solutions to improve it in QEMU in
> > future.
> >
>
IMHO,  It is possible to enable XBZRLE  on the fly during for an existing
active
migration process.
Than need improvement in qemu.



> >
> > > > Oh and of course we still need to address the issue of RAM usage and
> > > > communicating that need with the scheduler in order to avoid OOM
> > > > scenarios due to large compression cache.
> > > >
> > > > I tend to feel that the QEMU compression code is currently broken by
> > > > design and needs rework in QEMU before it can be pratically used in
> > > > an autonomous fashion :-(
> > >
> > > Actually thinking about it, there's not really any significant
> > > difference between Option 1 and Option 3. In both cases we want
> > > a nova.conf setting live_migration_compression=on|off to control
> > > whether we want to *permit* use  of compression.
> > >
> > > The only real difference between 1 & 3 is whether migration has
> > > compression enabled always, or whether we turn it on part way
> > > though migration.
> > >
> > > So although option 3 is our desired approach (which we can't
> > > actually implement due to QEMU limitations), option 1 could
> > > be made fairly similar if we start off with a very small
> > > compression cache size which would have the effect of more or
> > > less disabling compression initially.
> > >
> > > We already have logic in the code for dynamically increasing
> > > the max downtime value, which we could mirror here
> > >
> > > eg something like
> > >
> > >  live_migration_compression=on|off
> > >
> > >   - Whether to enable use of compression
> > >
> > >  live_migration_compression_cache_ratio=0.8
> > >
> > >   - The maximum size of the compression cache relative to
> > >     the guest RAM size. Must be less than 1.0
> > >
> > >  live_migration_compression_cache_steps=10
> > >
> > >   - The number of steps to take to get from initial cache
> > >     size to the maximum cache size
> > >
> > >  live_migration_compression_cache_delay=75
> > >
> > >   - The time delay in seconds between increases in cache
> > >     size
> > >
> > >
> > > In the same way that we do with migration downtime, instead of
> > > increasing cache size linearly, we'd increase it in ever larger
> > > steps until we hit the maximum. So we'd start off fairly small
> > > a few MB, and monitoring the cache hit rates, we'd increase it
> > > periodically.  If the number of steps configured and time delay
> > > between steps are reasonably large, that would have the effect
> > > that most migrations would have a fairly small cache and would
> > > complete without needing much compression overhead.
> > >
> > > Doing this though, we still need a solution to the host OOM scenario
> > > problem. We can't simply check free RAM at start of migration and
> > > see if there's enough to spare for compression cache, as the schedular
> > > can spawn a new guest on the compute host at any time, pushing us into
> > > OOM. We really need some way to indicate that there is a (potentially
> > > very large) extra RAM overhead for the guest during migration.
> > >
> > > ie if live_migration_compression_cache_ratio is 0.8 and we have a
> > > 4 GB guest, we need to make sure the schedular knows that we are
> > > potentially going to be using 7.2 GB of memory during migration
> > >
> > >
> > [Shaohe Feng]
> > These suggestions sounds good.
> > Thank you, Daneil.
> >
> > Do we need to consider this factor:
> >   Seems, XBZRLE compress is executed after bulk stage. During the bulk
> > stage,
> >   calculate an transfer rate. If the transfer rate bellow a certain
> >   threshold value, we can set a bigger cache size.
>
> I think it is probably sufficient to just look at the xbzrle cache
> hit rates every "live_migration_compression_cache_delay" seconds
> and decide how to tune the cache size based on that.
>
> OK. agree, will update the spec.
Thank you.

>
> Regards,
> Daniel
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