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Sean Dague wrote:
> On 11/05/2015 06:00 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
>> Hayes, Graham wrote:
>>> On 04/11/15 20:04, Ed Leafe wrote:
>>>> On Nov 3, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Davanum Srinivas<davanum at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>> Here's a Devstack review for zookeeper in support of this initiative:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://review.openstack.org/241040
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Dims
>>>> I thought that the operators at that session made it very clear that they would *not* run any Java applications, and that if OpenStack required a Java app to run, they would no longer use it.
>>>>
>>>> I like the idea of using Zookeeper as the DLM, but I don't think it should be set up as a default, even for devstack, given the vehement opposition expressed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Ed Leafe
>>>>
>>> I got the impression that there was *some* operators that wouldn't run
>>> java.
>
> I feel like I'd like to see that with data. Because every Ops session
> I've been in around logging and debugging has had nearly everyone raise
> their hand that they are running the ELK stack for log analysis. So they
> are all running Java already.
>
> I would absolutely hate to have some design point get made based on
> rumors from ops and "java is icky" sentiment from the dev space.
>
> Defaults matter, because it means you get a critical mass of operators
> running similar configs, and they can build and share knowledge. For all
> of the issues with Rabbit, it has demonstrably been good to have
> collaboration in the field between operators that have shared patterns
> and fed back the issues. So we should really say Zookeeper is the
> default choice, even if there are others people could choose that have
> extra mustachy / monocle goodness.
>

+1 from me

I mean I get that there will be some person out there that will say 'no 
icky thats java' but said type of people will *always* exist, no matter 
what the situation and if we are basing sound technical decisions on 
that one (and/or small set of people) person it makes me wonder what the 
heck we are doing...

Because that's totally crazy (IMHO). After a while we need to listen to 
the 99% and make a solution targeted at them, and accept that we will 
not make 100% of people happy all the time. This is why I personally 
like being opinionated and I think/thought that openstack as a group had 
matured enough to do this (but I see that it still isn't ready to do this).

My 2 cents,

-Josh

> 	-Sean
>