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On 07/03/15 23:16 +0000, Nikhil Komawar wrote:
>Thank you for the response, Hemanth! Those are some excellent questions.
>
>
>In order to avoid diverging the conversation, I would like to give my general
>sense of direction. Please do keep in mind that a lot of these thoughts need to
>be better formulated, preferably on a different thread.
>
>
>Core-members would be generic concept unlike core-reviewers. The one important
>thing that this should achieve is clear understanding of the individuals
>(usually ones who are new or interact less often in Glance) - who actually is a
>"Core" in the program? "There are a few things that can be part of their rights
>like being able to vote for important decisions (like the current thread), they
>may or may not have core-reviewer rights based on their participation area. For
>example, they could be security liaison or they may _officially_ do release
>management for the libraries without being a core-reviewer, etc. The
>responsibilities should complement the rights.
>
>
>Those are just initial thoughts and can be better formulated. I will attempt to
>craft out the details of the core-member concept in the near future and you all
>are welcome to join me in doing so.

I think I misread the original proposal with ragards to
"core-members". As it is explained here, I'm opposed on having this.
As soon as you start tagging people and adding more layers to the
community, it'll be harder to manage it and more importantly it'll be
more fragmented than it is, which is something I believe we don't
need.

Citing the example you mentioned in your previous email:

> "There are a few things that can be part of their rights like being
> able to vote for important decisions"

This breaks openess and it reads like: "If you're not a 'core-member',
your vote won't count"

We've fought hard to remove all these kind of labels and exclusive
rights by reducing them to the minimum, hence the core-reviewers team.

Anyone should feel free to vote, speak up and most importantly,
everyones opinion *must* be taken into account.

I'll wait for your final proposal to give a more constructive and
extended opinion based on that.

Flavio

>
>
>Hope that answered your questions, at least for the time being!
>
>
>Cheers
>-Nikhil
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>From: Hemanth Makkapati <hemanth.makkapati at RACKSPACE.COM>
>Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 7:15 PM
>To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
>Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] Core nominations.
> 
>
>I like the idea of a 'core-member'. But, how are core-members different from
>core-reviewers? For instance, with core-reviewers it is very clear that these
>are folks you would trust with merging code because they are supposed to have a
>good understanding of the overall project. What about core-members? Are
>core-members essentially just core-reviewers who somehow don't fit the criteria
>of core-reviewers but are good candidates nevertheless? Just trying to
>understand here ... no offense meant.
>
>
>Also, +1 to both the criteria for removing existing cores and addition of new
>cores.
>
>
>-Hemanth.
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>From: Nikhil Komawar <nikhil.komawar at RACKSPACE.COM>
>Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 4:04 PM
>To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
>Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] Core nominations.
> 
>
>Thank you all for the input outside of the program: Kyle, Ihar, Thierry,
>Daniel!
>
>
>Mike, Ian: It's a good idea to have the policy however, we need to craft one
>that is custom to the Glance program. It will be a bit different to ones out
>there as we've contributors who are dedicated to only subset of the code - for
>example just glance_store or python-glanceclient or metadefs. From here on, we
>may see that for Artifacts and other such features. It's already being observed
>for metadefs.
>
>
>While I like Mike's suggestion to (semi-)adopt what Nova and Neutron are doing,
>it also makes me wonder if that's going to help us in long term. If not, then
>what can we do now to set a good path forward?
>
>
>Flavio, Erno, Malini, Louis, Mike: Drafting a guideline policy and implementing
>rotation based on that was my intent so that everyone is aware of the changes
>in the program. That would let the core reviewers know what their duties are
>and let non-cores know what they need to do to become cores. Moreover, I've a
>idea for proposing a "core-member status" for our program than just
>core-reviewer. That seems more applicable for a few strong regular contributors
>like Travis and Lakshmi who work on bug fixes, bug triaging and client
>improvements however, do not seem to keep momentum on reviews. The core status
>can affect project decisions hence, this change may be important. This process
>may involve some interactions with governance so, will take more time.
>
>
>Malini: I wish to take a strategic decision here rather an agile one. That
>needs a lot of brainpower before implementation. While warning and acting is
>good, it seems less applicable for this case. Simply because, we need to make a
>positive difference in the interactions of the community and we've a chance of
>doing that here.
>
>
>Nevertheless, I do not want to block the new-core additions or ask Flavio
>et.al. to accommodate for the reviews that the new members would have been able
>to do (just kidding).
>
>
>Tweaking Flavio's criterion of cleaning up the list for cores who have not done
>any reviews in the last 2 cycles (Icehouse and Juno), I've prepared a new list
>below (as Flavio's list did not match up even if we take cycles to be Juno,
>Kilo). They can be added back to the list faster in the future if they consider
>contributing to Glance again.
>
>
>The criterion is:
>
>Reviews <= 50 in combined cycles.
>
>
>Proposal to remove the following members(review_count) from the glance-core
>list:
>
>  • Brian Lamar (0+15)
>  • Brian Waldon (0+0)
>  • Dan Prince (3+1)
>  • Eoghan Glynn (0+3)
>  • John Bresnahan (31+12)
>
>And we would add the following new members:
>
>  • Ian Cordasco
>  • Louis Taylor
>  • Mike Fedosin
>  • Hemanth Makkapati
>
>
>This way we've a first round of consolidation done. It must be evident that the
>list-cleanup proposed above is not comprehensive with regards to who is truly
>inactive. Thus, misses out on a few names due to lack of established criterion.
>We can do more about rotation in the following weeks.
>
>
>Hope it works!
>
>
>Regards,
>-Nikhil
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>From: Kyle Mestery <mestery at mestery.com>
>Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 12:45 PM
>To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
>Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] Core nominations.
> 
>On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Ian Cordasco <ian.cordasco at rackspace.com>
>wrote:
>
>    I like that idea. Can you start it out with Nova or Neutron’s guidelines?
>   
>
>FYI, the core reviewer guidelines for Neutron are in-tree now [1], along with
>all of our other policies around operating in Neutron [2].
>
>[1] https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/doc/source/policies/
>core-reviewers.rst
>[2] https://github.com/openstack/neutron/tree/master/doc/source/policies
> 
>
>    On 3/5/15, 17:38, "Mikhail Fedosin" <mfedosin at mirantis.com> wrote:
>
>    >I think yes, it does. But I mean that now we're writing a document called
>    >Glance Review Guidelines
>    >
>    >https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Iia0BjQoXvry9XSbf30DRwQt--ODglw-ZTT_5R
>    >JabsI/edit?usp=sharing
>    ><https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Iia0BjQoXvry9XSbf30DRwQt--ODglw-ZTT_5
>    >RJabsI/edit?usp=sharing> and it has a section "For cores". It's easy to
>    >include some concrete rules there to
>    >add
>    >more clarity.
>    >
>    >2015-03-05 17:46 GMT+03:00 Ihar Hrachyshka
>    ><ihrachys at redhat.com>:
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>    >On 03/05/2015 11:35 AM, Mikhail Fedosin wrote:
>    >> Yes, it's absolutely right. For example, Nova and Neutron have
>    >> official rules for that:
>    >> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/CoreTeam where it says: "A
>    >> member of the team may be removed at any time by the PTL. This is
>    >> typically due to a drop off of involvement by the member such that
>    >> they are no longer meeting expectations to maintain team
>    >> membership".
>    >https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronCore
>    ><https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronCore> "The PTL
>    >> may remove a member from neutron-core at any time. Typically when a
>    >> member has decreased their involvement with the project through a
>    >> drop in reviews and participation in general project development,
>    >> the PTL will propose their removal and remove them. Members who
>    >> have previously been core may be fast-tracked back into core if
>    >> their involvement picks back up" So, as Louis has mentioned, it's a
>    >> routine work, and why should we be any different? Also, I suggest
>    >> to write the same wiki document for Glance to prevent these issues
>    >> in the future.
>    >>
>    >
>    >Does the rule belong to e.g. governance repo? It seems like a sane
>    >requirement for core *reviewers* to actually review code, no? Or are
>    >there any projects that would not like to adopt such a rule formally?
>    >
>    >/Ihar
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