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On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Georgy Okrokvertskhov <
gokrokvertskhov at mirantis.com> wrote:

> In Murano project we do see a positive impact of BigTent model. Since
> Murano was accepted as a part of BigTent community we had a lot of
> conversations with potential users. They were driven exactly by the fact
> that Murano is now "officially" recognized in OpenStack community. It might
> be a wrong perception, but this is a perception they have.
> Most of the guys we met  are enterprises for whom catalog functionality is
> interesting. The problem with enterprises is that their thinking periods
> are often more than 6-9 months. They are not individuals who can start
> contributing over a night. They need some time to create proper org
> structure changes to organize development process. The benefits of that is
> more stable and predictable development over time as soon as they start
> contributing.
>

Sure, I was ignoring the question about potential users, and only looking
at 'development resources'. Although I am interested in seeing how the
user's view of being official changes now that it means something very
different (governance wise) in the big tent.


>
> Thanks
> Gosha
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:44 AM, Jay Pipes <jaypipes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You may also find my explanation about the Big Tent helpful in this
>> interview with Niki Acosta and Jeff Dickey:
>>
>> http://blogs.cisco.com/cloud/ospod-29-jay-pipes
>>
>> Best,
>> -jay
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2015 06:09 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/06/15 04:39 -0400, gordon chung wrote:
>>>
>>>> i won't speak to whether this confirms/refutes the usefulness of the
>>>> big tent.
>>>> that said, probably as a by-product of being in non-stop meetings with
>>>> sales/
>>>> marketing/managers for last few days, i think there needs to be better
>>>> definitions (or better publicised definitions) of what the goals of
>>>> the big
>>>> tent are. from my experience, they've heard of the big tent and they
>>>> are, to
>>>> varying degrees, critical of it. one common point is that they see it as
>>>> greater fragmentation to a process that is already too slow.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not saying this is the final answer to all the questions but at least
>>> it's a good place to start from:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/summit-videos/presentation/the-big-tent-a-look-at-the-new-openstack-projects-governance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That said, this is great feedback and we may indeed need to do a
>>> better job to explain the big tent. That presentation, I believe, was
>>> an attempt to do so.
>>>
>>> Flavio
>>>
>>>
>>>> just giving my fly-on-the-wall view from the other side.
>>>>
>>>> On 15/06/2015 6:20 AM, Joe Gordon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    One of the stated problems the 'big tent' is supposed to solve is:
>>>>
>>>>    'The binary nature of the integrated release results in projects
>>>> outside
>>>>    the integrated release failing to get the recognition they deserve.
>>>>    "Non-official" projects are second- or third-class citizens which
>>>> can't get
>>>>    development resources. Alternative solutions can't emerge in the
>>>> shadow of
>>>>    the blessed approach. Becoming part of the integrated release,
>>>> which was
>>>>    originally designed to be a technical decision, quickly became a
>>>>    life-or-death question for new projects, and a political/community
>>>>    minefield.' [0]
>>>>
>>>>    Meaning projects should see an uptick in development once they drop
>>>> their
>>>>    second-class citizenship and join OpenStack. Now that we have been
>>>> living
>>>>    in the world of the big tent for several months now, we can see if
>>>> this
>>>>    claim is true.
>>>>
>>>>    Below is a list of the first few few projects to join OpenStack
>>>> after the
>>>>    big tent, All of which have now been part of OpenStack for at least
>>>> two
>>>>    months.[1]
>>>>
>>>>    * Mangum -  Tue Mar 24 20:17:36 2015
>>>>    * Murano - Tue Mar 24 20:48:25 2015
>>>>    * Congress - Tue Mar 31 20:24:04 2015
>>>>    * Rally - Tue Apr 7 21:25:53 2015
>>>>
>>>>    When looking at stackalytics [2] for each project, we don't see any
>>>>    noticeably change in number of reviews, contributors, or number of
>>>> commits
>>>>    from before and after each project joined OpenStack.
>>>>
>>>>    So what does this mean? At least in the short term moving from
>>>> Stackforge
>>>>    to OpenStack does not result in an increase in development
>>>> resources (too
>>>>    early to know about the long term).  One of the three reasons for
>>>> the big
>>>>    tent appears to be unfounded, but the other two reasons hold.  The
>>>> only
>>>>    thing I think this information changes is what peoples expectations
>>>> should
>>>>    be when applying to join OpenStack.
>>>>
>>>>    [0] https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/resolutions/
>>>>    20141202-project-structure-reform-spec.rst
>>>>    [1] Ignoring OpenStackClent since the repos were always in
>>>> OpenStack it
>>>>    just didn't have a formal home in the governance repo.
>>>>    [2] h http://stackalytics.com/?module=magnum-group&metric=commits
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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